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    Quote (Constitutionalist @ Jan. 08 2010,02:11)Well, for one I myself applaud those Kiwi's for holding third place, considering population size with the rest of the world that is a great position (3rd) to be in.That is a bronze medal. Nothing to sneeze at.

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    Okay, I was wrong. There are five.

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    Wow, if that is the Koran, women get a real bad rap.“Those who “did wrong” will go to hell, and their wives will go to hell with them (no matter how they behaved). 37:22-23″Imagine the poor woman who is married to a bad man but herself is desent and a good person. Too bad for her. She goes to the celestial rubbish tip because of whom she married,…[Read more]

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    What do people make of supposed dinosaur and human footprints on the same strata?Although it makes no difference to me if they existed with humans or not, I post the following for comment.=====================================The Turnage-Patton Trail of dinosaur tracks in Dinosaur Valley State Park are now notoriously famous. Less well known is the…[Read more]

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    Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 12 2010,06:38)In order to stop others from posting, you need to actually set up a debate in the debates forum in Believers Area.Otherwise all are free to post in any topic outside of that forum if they have posting rights.Sorry, I can only guarantee it if you post it in the Debates…[Read more]

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    I did a test poll and it worked fine using your values.You need to put the answers into the big box. One per line.The second box is a description and the first is the title.You can also make a post in the last box.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 16 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 10 2010,14:20)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 09 2010,17:34)Quote (t8 @ Jan. 09 2010,00:22)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 09 2010,10:19)t8So John was contradicting himself in John 1:1, 18 and 1 John 5:20?WJNo he wasn't contradicting. It might appear that way to some people. But a complete understanding shows that John 17:3 is…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 16 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 09 2010,17:34)“Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. “So you are saying that the following scripture is not saying that the Father is the only true God and that this God sent his son?“Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true…[Read more]

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    Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 10 2010,04:39)First, we have already been over the point of men being called “gods.” In reference to men it simply means “ruler” or “magistrate.” Even if Jesus is a god to you like other men He would still be in a class all by Himself. Second, I am not aware of any scripture which says that Moses was a “saviour.” Even so…[Read more]

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    Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 09 2010,23:07)I challenge t8 to a debate one on one without all the silly interruptions by certain novice idividuals here.Sure set one up and make sure your first post stipulates the rule that it is between us, so that no one else will post, and include any other rules that you would like.I cannot guarantee that I will…[Read more]

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    Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 09 2010,23:07)If we say “God is God” we say nothing. But if we say “God is the only Savior” we define God. Therefore, when Jesus is called “the Savior” we know that God exists in the form of at least two Persons (Logic 101).And when Jesus said “Ye are theos”, then what according to your logic? When Moses is called a…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 16 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 09 2010,10:19)t8So John was contradicting himself in John 1:1, 18 and 1 John 5:20?WJNo he wasn't contradicting. It might appear that way to some people. But a complete understanding shows that John 17:3 is true and contradicts nothing in scripture. If you think it contradicts, then how can you reply on scripture? “Now…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 09 2010,10:45)t8As usual you always appeal to his post incarnate state as “Servant”. Phil 2″6-8What was he before then t8? Where is he now? Was he not the Lord that came down from heaven and is now “Lord of Lords and King of Kings”?We will have to disagree.Where is he now and what is he now? Is he God now?I wonder if…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 09 2010,11:08)Saying that Jesus is one with God doesn't mean he is not God either.Sorry but it does. Being one in unity by its very definition implies more than one.Saying that a man can be one with a woman doesn't actually make the man the woman too. A man and a woman who are one, are in number, two, and in purpose…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 09 2010,10:57)t8If all things are by him and through him and for him, then he is God!John 1:1-3, Rom 11:36, 1 Cor 8:6,Jesus is self-existent t8! And at this time is not yet subject to the Father. 1 Cor 15By him all things consist. Col 1:17, and all things are upheld by the word of his power, Heb 1:3He is our Great…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 09 2010,02:40)t8I do not see any scriptures that say….Let not your heart be troubled: “ye believe in God, believe also in me (t8)“. John 14:1I do not see any scriptures that say….Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and “purify **unto himself** (t8) a peculiar people“, zealous of…[Read more]

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    Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 09 2010,02:34)This is feeble man! The One who sits upon the throne and the Lamb are worshiped not for who they are but for the works they have done.Then you have answered the question regarding both being worshipped as God. They are not, one is identified as God and another as the lamb, and they are honoured for what they…[Read more]

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    Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 09 2010,01:54)t8,You say “in the same sense” we are one with the Father?Hmmmmmm….. Jesus said that He was one with the Father in saving and guarding the sheep:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 09 2010,05:29)JackI see what you mean. I have heard t8 say he worships Jesus but not as God!I don't want to be a judge and say that they don't worship, but I will say it seems like a lot of lip service going on when they talk about Jesus as being Lord.I am reminded of the words “They honor me with their lips but…[Read more]

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