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    It still amazes me that thethinker chose that name.That is my 2 cents worth.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic t8 vs stu in the forum Debates 16 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Feb. 26 2010,10:31)T8,Did you miss, or purposely ignore, this question:Quote Now before you claim that this multiple universe must have a beginning, answer this question: Does your god have to have a beginning?  If not, what quality does this god possess that could not be ascribed to the “multi-verse” that I am describing?Your…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic t8 vs stu in the forum Debates 16 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Feb. 26 2010,07:14)o where is your evidence that your god did it?  Where did he leave his unmistakable signature?I have covered this point on a number of occasions.First off, we have 3 or 4 options that cover every possibility and they are all ludicrous or truly bizarre to our experience of things, yet it has to be one of…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic t8 vs stu in the forum Debates 16 years, 8 months ago

    I have thought about a universe where the big bang was simply the universe being ejected from a huge Black Hole in a bigger construct. Some scientists believe that Black Holes have White Holes and it is a sort of like a big suck and then a big bang. (NOTE: not trying to be rude). So our Big Bang was simply the other end of a Black Hole in a bigger…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic t8 vs stu in the forum Debates 16 years, 8 months ago

    No I am assuming that whatever caused/created the universe was alive. Therefore it was done by intelligence. The other 2 options rule out intelligence. If an intelligence caused the universe by his intelligence, then it was created and therefore he is the creator.

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    Is the Body of Christ invisible or visible.Well that question really matters little.A better question is, “is the Church the Body of Christ”. The answer is yes.So we only need to think of the Body of Christ and what it is like to understand what the Church is.Romans 12:5so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the…[Read more]

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    What george offers might work within the framework of his theory, but we are told to not listen to those who say that Jesus is here or there. But when he comes it will be obvious like lightning from the east to the west.Matthew 24:23-2823 At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24 For…[Read more]

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    Find a website and copy and paste this in the adress barjavascript:R=0; x1=.1; y1=.05; x2=.25; y2=.24; x3=1.6; y3=.24; x4=300; y4=200; x5=300; y5=200; DI=document.images; DIL=DI.length; function A(){for(i=0; i-DIL; i++){DIS=DI.style; DIS.position='absolute'; DIS.left=Math.sin(R*x1+i*x2+x3)*x4+x5;…[Read more]

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    Actually I don't know that much about Hitler, but he does seem to be in the vein of the Roman Empire (one thousand year reich) and like the emperors of Rome, they used Christianity to form their own Church or at least got some to sell out to them and do their bidding.If the emperors did it, why not Hitler who was reviving the Roman Empire?It…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic t8 vs stu in the forum Debates 16 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 25 2010,12:53)I responded to one post addressed “To all”. That is all I will care to do because I simply feel that debating the origin of the universe is a monumental waste of time.I don't think you have been paying attention KJ.It's not so much about debating that, but that knowing all three options are ludicrous, you cannot…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic t8 vs stu in the forum Debates 16 years, 8 months ago

    Yes, it does make you wonder why an atheist with no alternate theory spends so much time attacking the idea of a creator. I suggested once that it could be the whole darkness and light thing. The darkness hates the light, and hate can make a man obsess about his enemy.

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    Quote (david @ Feb. 24 2010,18:43)I believe you are quite wrong on this.  And until a couple hundred years ago, it was hard to find any self proclaimed athiests.Quote In the name of creating their version of a religion-free utopia, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong produced the kind of mass slaughter that no Inquisitor could possibly…[Read more]

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    Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 24 2010,22:43)Hitler was inspired by Martin Luther. His anti-Semitism arose from his childhood Aryan Christian education.Uh huh. Oh yeah.All those posters about Jews being closer to primitive apes than Aryans has absolutely nothing to do with evolution and his attempt to wipe out the Jews because they were a supposed lower…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic t8 vs stu in the forum Debates 16 years, 8 months ago

    KJ.If Stu cannot answer that, then all his rants about there being no God are irrelevant because they are based on a biased belief only. He attackes faith and belief and is guilty of the same thing. This is the point. I guess you missed that.So 'wearing thin' means nothing regarding the point of the debate. I have a point KJ, and there is no…[Read more]

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    As long as you accept all liability for motion sickness etc.

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    Oh guys sorry. Atheism must be the answer to all man's ills. Atheists never do wrong and always pay their taxes. Every single person in the word that was ever murdered was over a religious difference. :D

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    Quote (Stu @ Feb. 24 2010,21:13)If you think about it logically t8, the prison statistics say we should lock up christians as a preventive measure, we should close down madrassahs because they teach people about the philosophy of blowing up innocent people, we should stop Jews and muslims from non-consentually chopping off their infant sons'…[Read more]

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    Quote (Stu @ Feb. 24 2010,21:22)I think I have seen people here (or elsewhere) present two examples of people who, when confessing, attributed their murderous deeds to their atheism. Two.The two worst maybe. Anyway I count the three worst in the first post. Hitler, Stalin, Mao.How many murderers in the world do you think are atheists?Do you still…[Read more]

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    This should be an interesting discussion.It always seems ironic to me how atheists hate religion, yet their belief system produces if not the same, worse conflicts.I know when I was an atheist, I loved to point to how religion causes wars. At the time, I was blind to how murder is committed in the name of atheism. It is man who is sinful. It is…[Read more]

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    Quote (Stu @ Feb. 24 2010,20:03)Quote (princess of the king @ Feb. 23 2010,13:26)Quote (Stu @ Feb. 22 2010,16:26)I hope you didn't really mean you find reality boring.  How could it be boring when there are so many crackpot religious belief systems to be amazed by?Stuarttruly stuart you becoming absurbed in your remarks lately, are you well,…[Read more]

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