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    Here is the premise or an example for the statement “It is unreasonable to say there is no God”.It is unreasonable to assume that there is no life on other planets.It is unreasonable to assume that there definitely is life on other planets.It is reasonable to assume that there is life on other planets, if you have come into contact with…[Read more]

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    This debate is between those who believe in the existence of God and those who say that there is no God.

    The following is an argument saying that it is foolish to deny the existence of a God. Can you refute it?

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 16 years, 7 months ago

    Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 27 2010,08:58)“Worthy is the Lamb who was slain To receive power and riches and wisdom, And strength and honor and glory and blessing!” Rev. 5:13 It says that thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands count the Lamb who was slain worthy of worship.Where does it say worthy is the lamb because he is God…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 16 years, 7 months ago

    Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 24 2010,19:41)No Nick,Jesus passed some of His authority to His apostles. The apostles are gone Nick. Nobody possesses Christ's authority today.thinkerWell at least I can agree that you do not have Christ's authority. Christ never preached or taught the Trinity Doctrine.

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    Quote (Stu @ Feb. 27 2010,08:46)Oops forgot to finish this bit:If it is unreasonable for me to assert that there are no gods, then it is unreasonable for you to assert that there is a god.  If you knew anything about philosophy, which sets down the commonly accepted set of rules that people the world over accept as a way to make a robust…[Read more]

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    Quote (Stu @ Feb. 26 2010,20:47)And you know what they found when they did something similar in the election before that? Evidence of the Exclusive Brethren attempting (pathetically) to buy an election. I think I would rather know about that kind of thing than have it covered up by a major political party that is now in government.Wasn't that in…[Read more]

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    Did you use to have editing rights?

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    Quote (Stu @ Feb. 26 2010,16:56)What is a Darwinian principle, and how would it apply to my idea of the kind of society I would care to live in?Law of the jungle with no Godly moral code. No commandments etc.

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    I am not saying I agree with anyone here, but my opinion is that when people have to dig up dirt on people, it is because they can't fault the logic or win against the person.Stu, do you remember when the National Pary looked like they were going to win the previous election? What did Labour do after all their attemps to stop National's…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic t8 vs stu in the forum Debates 16 years, 7 months ago

    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Feb. 26 2010,15:48)O ye of limited imagination.What if consciousness is a fundamental property of this “multi-verse”?  What if our universe is consciously evolving?  Before you dismiss the idea out of hand, read the following and report back to the class:My Big TOE TrilogyOh great one of magnificent imagination, I am not w…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic t8 vs stu in the forum Debates 16 years, 7 months ago

    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Feb. 26 2010,15:22)At least you are admitting that your position is equally ludicrous.  As you have already indicated, the real reason why you believe that your god created the universe is that you already believe in that god.  That makes this whole debate moot.In short, it is not moot if you understand the point. I will try a…[Read more]

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    Hey Stu.Charles Darwin says: “In the struggle for survival, the fittest win out at the expense of their rivals.”Adolph Hitler's view the Aryan struggle for survival was at he expense of the Jews and what he calls lower forms of human or humans closer to apes as his propaganda tried to demonstrate. Stu, if you care to live in a society shaped by…[Read more]

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    Quote (Stu @ Feb. 26 2010,13:44)Atheism is the answer to only some of the world's ills.Oh yeah. It changed your life. You are now a much better man than all those who believe in God.Thank God you are an atheist. It makes you a decent person and one with very high morals.The reality is that atheism denies that there is a God. God is the source of…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic t8 vs stu in the forum Debates 16 years, 7 months ago

    Quote Okay, but are you confusing “being” alive with motion? Aren't you saying “something moved”? Can something move without being alive? If it creates it is a creator. If it causes by movement and no creativity, then it is something. That is 2 of the 3 options. Quote Yes, that is true but you assert this saying “if”, If all the options you…[Read more]

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    It still amazes me that thethinker chose that name.That is my 2 cents worth.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic t8 vs stu in the forum Debates 16 years, 7 months ago

    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Feb. 26 2010,10:31)T8,Did you miss, or purposely ignore, this question:Quote Now before you claim that this multiple universe must have a beginning, answer this question: Does your god have to have a beginning?  If not, what quality does this god possess that could not be ascribed to the “multi-verse” that I am describing?Your…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic t8 vs stu in the forum Debates 16 years, 7 months ago

    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Feb. 26 2010,07:14)o where is your evidence that your god did it?  Where did he leave his unmistakable signature?I have covered this point on a number of occasions.First off, we have 3 or 4 options that cover every possibility and they are all ludicrous or truly bizarre to our experience of things, yet it has to be one of…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic t8 vs stu in the forum Debates 16 years, 7 months ago

    I have thought about a universe where the big bang was simply the universe being ejected from a huge Black Hole in a bigger construct. Some scientists believe that Black Holes have White Holes and it is a sort of like a big suck and then a big bang. (NOTE: not trying to be rude). So our Big Bang was simply the other end of a Black Hole in a bigger…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic t8 vs stu in the forum Debates 16 years, 7 months ago

    No I am assuming that whatever caused/created the universe was alive. Therefore it was done by intelligence. The other 2 options rule out intelligence. If an intelligence caused the universe by his intelligence, then it was created and therefore he is the creator.

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    Is the Body of Christ invisible or visible.Well that question really matters little.A better question is, “is the Church the Body of Christ”. The answer is yes.So we only need to think of the Body of Christ and what it is like to understand what the Church is.Romans 12:5so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the…[Read more]

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