Quote n the case of pollution that has not happened.What you fail to see is that people are harming themselves. Even worse, sometimes they are helping spread possible disease to others. Contamination can end up in someone's blood supply in a blood transfusion to someone else for instance. So the innocent can suffer indirectly in a number of ways…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 08 2010,19:47)Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 08 2010,19:44)Quote (Stu @ Mar. 08 2010,19:32)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2010,16:20)Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,12:23)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 07 2010,12:14)Yes, the gospel is crack-pottery to those who are perishing.And let's face it, you believe you are perishing too, so no argument from both sides on this one.1…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2010,09:31)Why in the world would a Christian tell a Muslim not to Worship God directly when God has always wanted man to worship Him directly.It is really amazing that Christians don't know what they are supposed to believe themselves what did Jesus finish?I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work…[Read more]

Please pay attention KJ.I am making the simple point that not all desires or preferences are good. That is it. Does nature's design teach that men and women were designed to have sexual intercourse? Nature also teaches that cows eat grass and soil is for growing plants. Often when you change the intention of the design, you can get undesirable…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 09 2009,16:00)The keyword here is “preference”. Until you are in another's shoes, do not presume to say what is right or wrong is this particular component of life.I am not passing judgement, but where do you draw the line? Some people have preference for children. Does having preference make it right? I say no.Preference is…[Read more]

Or opportunity to give to a religion that is becoming more organised complete with evangelism?

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,22:01)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 07 2010,21:35)Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,21:23)I am pretty sure I will get what I want.A mortgage, weekends at the pub with some fellow apes, abuse a few souls on Heaven  Net, and to become potting mix in the end?I have never abused anyone here.The other things you listed do not characterise my…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,21:56)Are you an unhappy ape, t8?StuartWhen I am unhappy, I tend to be human. But if you believe that primitive apes are your great great… granddad, then going back  further would also make you an unhappy Daffodil considering that about one-third of the code is the same. So who was the first in your lineage to dislike…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,20:17)No, all you have to do is believe in the bible. Life begets life. According to Genesis the creation was over after six days. There is no new creation of species, so where did all the new species in the fossil record come from? Descent with modification is the only explanation any devout christian could possibly…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,20:17)So when the flu virus mutates before our eyes every year, how do you explain that evidence?Your not listening Stu. It is still a virus. The changes are preserving it rather than making it a giraffe.

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,20:17)I can see a big fat god with goggly eyes surrounded by Dominoes boxes encrusted with old melted cheese.  Is that the picture you hoped to conjure t8?If that is what you think I was trying to do, then you were wrong again Stu. Graduation just slipped back further.

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,22:07)So by the same logic, your god created plants one thousand years before he created the sun upon which they depend for energy.No, that is what your logic thinks it says.

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,12:23)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 07 2010,12:14)Yes, the gospel is crack-pottery to those who are perishing.And let's face it, you believe you are perishing too, so no argument from both sides on this one.1 Corinthians“For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,20:07)Why? I don’t need to believe there are black holes before I can understand the effects they explainThere you go. Many people also believe in God in the same way. Although it pays to have more than that.

So the match is over. Shall I close the debate?

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,21:23)I am pretty sure I will get what I want.A mortgage, weekends at the pub with some fellow apes, abuse a few souls on Heaven Net, and to become potting mix in the end?

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,21:17)No, it is that these vicars have lost their faith through exposure to Judeo-christian mythology, and are stuck in the job because they have few really useful skills.Agreed. They are getting paid and there is no point in giving their bread and butter away on the small point that they are atheists now. I suppose it…[Read more]

Stu, you are a self-confessed ape who will become potting mix at the end of your life.I am a human made in the image of God, and realise that I am a sinner and in need of God's redemption. Since then, I have been connected to God by his Spirit and have seen not only miracles, but a transformation in my own life. I will inherit eternal life. When…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2010,19:54)It might also help if believers were to acknowledge that what they call “evidence” is just not credible.That has to be a joke or you are simply not thinking straight.Do you honestly think that you can take a photograph of an eternal God. What chance would a microscopic life form in a human body have of seeing the…[Read more]

Stu, rejecting God is like rejecting water. Water sustains physical life. Spirit sustains spirtual life and God is Spirit and all spirit comes from him.Your life is the result of an initial spark of spirit (pnuema). It is the only one you get and then it is taken away as spirit goes back to God who gave it. But the righteous inherit eternal life.…[Read more]