Quote (TrinitarianCalvinist27 @ July 25 2009,04:00)Anti-trinitarians claim that only the Father is sovereign. Well guess what, in the book of Jude, Jesus is referred to as sovereign.Jude verse 4: Quote 4For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of…[Read more]

Quote (theodorej @ July 21 2010,00:50)Greetings Stu…. It is always a pleasure…”religous platitudes” sounds like an oxy moron to me…In defense of myself..I must say” Iam not a religious man”….religion scares me along with its cavalcade of Bible thumpers and scriptual Parots who believe things but probably do not know why…My expertise is…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ July 20 2010,22:51)Uncertainty is the strength of my position. Because it is open to new evidence that contradicts it, there is less likelihood of ending up with pig-headed adherence to an idea long disproved.Now that is actually funny. You have demonstrated the complete opposite many times. When a good argument or point is made that…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ July 18 2010,21:34)and natural selection the robust theory that explains it so well that it is one of the longest-lived theories in all science, not disproved by anyone in 151 years.A couple of things to point out here.1) Natural Selection was originally used to prove the opposite. That it preserves species by allowing the best…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ July 18 2010,21:41)if it is just me wishing it were real when it is a delusion…You wish God wasn't real. Does that make your wish a delusion?I would say that not all that you wish for is a delusion though. Many people wish that they could do great things. It is within everyone that they can do great things if they have the faith.…[Read more]

Quote (david @ July 17 2010,17:49)–An Athiest is biased towards WANTING God to be real and changing his beliefs.This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.You underestimate the effect that the light can have on those who live in darkness. I know this first-hand. I…[Read more]

Quote Quote (Stu @ July 18 2010,19:36)I have never read a reasonable response to what you consider to be the cause of everything. Are you in the someone, nothing, or something camp?Secondly, if you do not hold to any because you do not know, then you are unqualified to say that anyone of them is not feasible.I have yet to hear you say I believe or…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 18 2010,05:29)Man down fall was His separation from God's Will. God does not ask us to obey Him He commands us to , the ten comandment were not the ten (if) you free wills decide to. God even envoked (FEAR).Actually that made man's downfall possible. But it was also possible that we would choose to do God's will and…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 17 2010,18:01)Quote (t8 @ July 17 2010,16:12)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 17 2010,03:00)T8………No one is saying we do not have a WILL (IN) Us we are saying that Will Is (NOT) a “FREE” Will, again you are confusing God allowing us Liberty to a point to exercise our Wills as Us having a “FREE” Will in us. that is the…[Read more]

Gene why do you continue to choose to post here, when you do not believe it to be possible?

Quote (karmarie @ July 18 2010,21:02)Hi  Anyone,I spent the last years praying to Heavenly Father/Lord God through the son Jesus. (Jehovah Witness sort of prayer) sometimes I never knew who I was supposed to be speaking to its hard to explain. I prayed the other day 'Lord' and I caused no division in my mind but just simply Lord and it felt so…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ July 18 2010,21:02)Hi  Anyone,I spent the last years praying to Heavenly Father/Lord God through the son Jesus. (Jehovah Witness sort of prayer) sometimes I never knew who I was supposed to be speaking to its hard to explain. I prayed the other day 'Lord' and I caused no division in my mind but just simply Lord and it felt so…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ July 16 2010,17:58)Quote (t8 @ July 13 2010,03:59)God the Father is an invisible spirit. He has a son who is the visible image of him.Beware of those who try to confuse and change this simple truth written in scripture. More often than not, they are blinded by their own pride.Hi t8,Is YHVH God, the Father?DavidYes.He is the God…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ July 16 2010,17:58)Quote (t8 @ July 13 2010,03:59)God the Father is an invisible spirit. He has a son who is the visible image of him.Beware of those who try to confuse and change this simple truth written in scripture. More often than not, they are blinded by their own pride.Hi t8,Is YHVH God, the Father?DavidYes.He is the God…[Read more]

For what it is worth, the 2nd century Fathers as they are known believed that Jesus existed as the son of God before coming to this world, (as far as I know).They seem to acknowledge that he pre-existed as the son, but are also careful to point out that God is the greatest and Most High.

Quote (Lightenup @ July 18 2010,18:03)Hi Oxy,Don't confuse the Son in the flesh with the firstborn Son that created the world.  One was the root of David, the other the offspring of David.In my experience, some here deny that there is any difference between root and offspring and even some Trinitarians do too, (which is weird). The Trinity…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 14 2010,02:09)Quote (t8 @ July 13 2010,05:38)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 13 2010,14:57)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2010,14:41)Hi MB,Being in the form of God is not being God is it?Not THE God Nick.But God is spirit, man is not.  I take it to mean, “being in a spirit form, he emptied himself and became in a man's…[Read more]

Jesus is coming back to a Church without spot and blemish.But many are still deceived by things like the Trinity Doctrine.KJ, if you can preach the false Trinity Doctrine, then you can also preach other false messages and you need to move toward being without spot and blemish.You don't give us confidence in your words considering the array of…[Read more]

Nobody posted after you, or replied to the post, so I don't have a problem with it.In the end, it is better to get Mike's honest opinion than a statement of convenience. Remember the truth or lie is on trial, not people.

It is against the rules to delete or change posts substantially if people have posted after you, because it ruins the time that others spend replying to them and makes conversations hard to follow. It is better to post later why you don't like one of your own posts.At this stage, I can't tell if it was deleted or not though. So I can't make a…[Read more]