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    To Edj.If a person says “I do not know” or “my answer is this…(inadequate)”, then at least they have shown where they stand and that is acceptable. It is those who dodge good questions in order to preserve their ability to continue posting something they either do not understand or have no legs to stand on.I think it is wise that Scripture and…[Read more]

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    Quote (davidbfun @ July 26 2010,07:37)Hi Irene, and only Irene (Georg, too)Yes David is around and I thought about changing my signature to my last name so that we wouldn't be confused and you'd see why I am “fun”.Mr. Bean or could use my degree….Dr. David, but that is pretentious.or I am a retired teacher,,,,how about “The Professor” hahaHere…[Read more]

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    A great and timely message.Thanks shimmer.To all who happen to read this, please take this seriously.

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    This post is about Trinitarians that agree that John 1:1c is talking about the Word having the nature or substance of God, rather than the Word actually being identified as God. Their testimonies as well as mine disagree completely with Isaiah's view, (see his first post). He argues that the Word is being identified as God whereas I said that the…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 16 years, 3 months ago

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,08:51)You still have not explained if Jesus is of Gods kind how he cannot be God.“If Jesus is of God's kind, how can he not be God.”Your above statement (slightly altered for grammatical reasons) is like saying the following:If Eve is of Adam's kind, how can she not be Adam.See the mistake WJ? You have been…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 16 years, 3 months ago

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,08:51)You still have not explained if Jesus is of Gods kind how he cannot be God.“If Jesus is of God's kind, how can he not be God.”Your above statement (slightly altered for grammatical reasons) is like saying the following:If Eve is of Adam's kind, how can she not be Adam.See the mistake WJ? You have been…[Read more]

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    This is just an idea, and I want to gauge your response to it.As you already know, we have 2 sections for this site.1) Believers Area2) Skeptics AreaIMO, I think this has improved the quality of posting because every topic was in danger of becoming a debate about the existence of God and that has stopped now.However, in the Believers Area, we…[Read more]

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    OK, I see that. But I disagree that it is appropriate or right in this case. It is easy to see that Jesus is revealing the true one and we know that Jesus didn't come to reveal himself or to talk on his own behalf, but that he came to reveal his Father to us and his Father is his God and the true God. We know this from other verses.I can see that…[Read more]

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    Quote (davidbfun @ July 28 2010,00:47)Could it be that there are TWO aspects to the ONE God?One being spirit? Holy Spirit. Invisible.The other being physically present? YHVH. Visible.Hi db.Thanks for your input and question.I believe that when it says that God is invisible, then it means that. If he is visible, then he is not invisible because…[Read more]

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    God is not a man Roo. We can see God in the face of Christ and in other ways, but God is not a man. He is Spirit.

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    Quote I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God tooQuote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,08:23)KathiThat we can agree on! WJYou have a big BUT though. (I don't mean it like that  :D )He is the son of God, BUT he is also the God that he is the son of.It cancels it out don't you think?

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 16 years, 3 months ago

    @ davidbfun. Good points, but I think the answer that Trinitarians can always fall back on is that God is beyond understanding and leave it there.The problem is that God has revealed certain things about himself that he intends for us to understand, and the Trinity Doctrine flies in the face of that. For example, Paul teaches that it is better to…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 16 years, 3 months ago

    @ davidbfun. Good points, but I think the answer that Trinitarians can always fall back on is that God is beyond understanding and leave it there.The problem is that God has revealed certain things about himself that he intends for us to understand, and the Trinity Doctrine flies in the face of that. For example, Paul teaches that it is better to…[Read more]

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    Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ April 22 2010,09:04)The Father was in Jesus and Jesus was in the Father. This necessitates the idea of interdependency.Yet Jesus prayed that we would be one with God, himself, and each other. Yet who says that God is dependent on us?You are jumping to conclusions KJ. We are all dependent on God. Even Jesus is dependent on…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 22 2010,07:07)If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and “from henceforth ye know him (God), and have seen him (God)”. John 14:17Like I said, you disagree that God is invisible and that no one can see him. Whereas I believe that, and understand that while you can't actually see and invisible and…[Read more]

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    Quote (davidbfun @ July 25 2010,03:47)You're so right….men are dogs….First 3 commandments from God dealt with…….Be fruitfulMultiplyFill the earthAnd who does it best?  Women.DavidOK, you are entitled to your opinion that you are a dog.But others disagree that they are dogs. I guess we are all entitled to our opinions.

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    I will add the verses you talk of here, so I can post a reply about it when I get home.1 John 5:13-1513 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. 14 This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. 15 And if we…[Read more]

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    This may not answer your question, as I probably need to re-read this topic to actually understand what it is you want, but I will post this for now as it is easy for me to do so and I believe it needs to be said. Hopefully it even answers in part or whole what it is you are after.1 John 5:20We know also that the Son of God has come and has given…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 16 years, 3 months ago

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2010,03:41)Exactly, Son of God and Son of Man.Son of man = manSon of God = GodYou've put your foot in it now.Sons of God = Gods/gods/theos?

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 16 years, 3 months ago

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2010,03:41)Exactly, Son of God and Son of Man.Son of man = manSon of God = GodYou've put your foot in it now.Sons of God = Gods/gods/theos?

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