Hi davidbfun.I went to Medellin last year.I loved the climate and the city was safer than expected.Stayed with a Kiwi who lives here.Here are some pics:

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 18 2010,08:12)Quote (t8 @ Aug. 17 2010,15:58)“That they may know You the only true God; “but that all beyond the autotheos (God) is made theos by participation in His divinity, and is not to be called simply “the” theos but rather theos.Yes  t8Origen was an “Arian” and considered a Heretic because of teachings like…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 18 2010,08:13)Quote (t8 @ Aug. 17 2010,16:00)Ignatius of Antioch (ca. 110 A.D)Ignatius, who is Theophorus, to the Church which has received grace through the greatness of the Father Most High. (Third Epistle).I have learned that certain of the ministers of Satan have wished to disturb you, some of them asserting that…[Read more]

There was a man/alien called martian. He wrote this in the 2010s.He said that Jesus started his existence not in the form of God and emptying himself and coming in the form of man, but as a man who was created in the womb of Mary alone. He didn't think that the definite articles in Greek had any significance in John 1:1.He said this with authority…[Read more]

Clement of Alexandria (ca. 200)The nature of the Son, which is nearest to Him who is alone the Almighty One, is the most perfect, and most holy, and most powerful, and most noble, and most kingly, and most esteemed. This is the highest excellence, which orders all things in accordance with the Father's will.(Stromata, Book VII, 2).Those, then, who…[Read more]

Ignatius of Antioch (ca. 110 A.D)Ignatius, who is Theophorus, to the Church which has received grace through the greatness of the Father Most High. (Third Epistle).I have learned that certain of the ministers of Satan have wished to disturb you, some of them asserting that Jesus was born in appearance, was crucified in appearance, and died in…[Read more]

Here is Origens take on John 1:1.It is said that he knew the languages of his day (late 100s – early 200s) quite well.He wrote this before the Trinity Doctrine was invented, or at least before it was established as a major doctrine with the backing of the Roman Emperor.“We next notice John's use of the article in these sentences. He does not…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2010,06:03)Where is it accepted than that stoning is a punishment for Adultery?The Law.An eye for an eye.We are in a new testament now.But Islam looks like a copy of the Old Testament.

God is not made in the image of man. God made man, male and female and in his image. Perhaps you are imposing the physical form onto God? The physical body is the flesh, and it is not really applicable to God as he is spirit. He is not a man, doesn't have a body, and he is not finite.I know man is fallen ,but i think it is fair to say that there…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ Aug. 16 2010,01:06)How much controversy would I engender if I claimed, “Before Abraham was, I am”  and said that meant I preexisted Abraham, because Jesus Christ thought he preexisted Abraham?If I said to you that you are only xx years old and how can you have seen Abraham, and you replied before Abraham I existed. I think it…[Read more]

Sorry I got carried away.This is not the right topic for this discussion.Hopefully you can move onto something a bit more productive WJ.

An even simpler explanation for you that I have written many times.God is theos in identity and nature.Jesus is theos in nature or quality, but not in identity.In other words, Jesus is not God himself.The Father is the only one WHO is God.Now, I can call God HE and HIM.By definition of your doctrine you cannot, without breaking grammar.Your God is…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,03:27)“in what sense is Jesus less “Theos”, (God) than the Father?”I have answered this many times, but here it is again for the record.God and Jesus are divine in nature in that before he came in the flesh, he existed in the form of God (with divine nature).But God is the only one WHO is God.Look at it this…[Read more]

Sorry WJ.But scripture uses theos and elohim to describe, God, Jesus, Man, Angel, Satan, Idol.So I am just acknowledging that, whereas, you take 2 of them (and the Spirit) and make them one God in substance and relegate all the others as false gods, including those sitting on Moses seat and angels.I face up to the reality of how scripture uses…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 15 2010,15:33)T8 and Mike ………..Why don't you both just join the TrinitariansNo. That would be silly.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 15 2010,15:33)T8 and Martian………..It is also written the GOD created everything by (himself) and (alone). But you both chose to ignore it right?Actually Gene, who is ignoring it?If God made all things, then it was him and no one else that made all things. If God made all things THROUGH Jesus, then it was still God…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 15 2010,05:01)All the debates center on proving that Christ pre-existed, I want to know what purpose it serves. Did God do it so that we would have something to debate? How does this doctrine work?  What does it do for the believer? How does it help me along the journey to become like Christ?What kind of fruit does it…[Read more]

Martian, I think most are already aware of what you are saying here and probably agree with most of it.But I personally do not take these scriptures as the foundation of Jesus existence before he emptied himself. Without turning this topic into a duplicate of the Pre-existence thread, I would like to say that your post above does nothing to…[Read more]

So where do polls go if they have their own forum.In the Feedback, Help, Rules, Chat … area?

No it can't. But I could move them to a poll forum and leave it in the original forum too, except that when you clicked it from the original forum, it would take you to the Poll forum.I think that would work quite well, because all polls would be together and in their related forums too.