Yes if God is referred to as HIM and HIS, then those that believe in the Trinity Doctrine do not believe that God is a HIM/HIS.They actually believe that God is THEM because there are 3 persons in their God.The only thing that is one about their version of God is the substance. One substance three persons.Therefore, they refer to the substance as…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 24 2010,02:39)T8………We to can come to the (FULL) Measure of Jesus also as scripture says. That is the purpose pf GOD , to bring us (ALL) tho that (FULL) Measure that is in Christ Jesus. This is our Hope in GOD. But you separate Jesus from our (exact) idenity by you false teaching of Preexistence. IMO peace and…[Read more]

EdJYou make an opinion and then throw around a few numbers as if somehow that makes your opinion legit.But your post doesn't cut it with those who study the word. We require at least scripture, and it is also helpful to show the workings of clear thinking as to how you landed on your opinion. You have done neither.Also, Hebrew characters doesn't…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2010,21:44)Hi T8,Jer.1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.Would you “only” apply John 15:27 to “The…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2010,12:05)You say Jesus was morphed into an Human being without any memory, then you say he remembered the glory he had in the past with the Father when he preexisted as some other kind of Being.I don't say that, scripture does. He existed in the form of God, emptied himself, existed in the form of man, humbled…[Read more]

Without reading the posts here due to lack of time, I should point out something that needs to be said.God has many attributes. Truth, life, wisdom, love, etc.Sometimes God expresses these attributes in a living being besides himself. e.g., wisdom was given birth and was the craftsman at God's side.Jesus who is not God, said he was the Truth and…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2010,16:59)Hi T8 and Gene,I believe that we all preexisted and all had “The MindSweep”.It's nice to see you both come to this conclusion as well!God blessEd JEd, I made a comment about emptying yourself and what that could mean. It says that Jesus emptied himself, but it is not written that we emptied ourselves.So…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2010,11:40)T8……….So you believe this preexistent being completely wiped out all his past memory and had to learn all over again As a human being ,If he existed with divine nature and emptied himself and existed in human nature, then I guess that it would be very possible. But that would be reading too much into…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2010,02:13)You can not produce One scripture that shows anyone maned Jesus before his Berth  on earth, nor can you produce any evidence of a preexistent Jesus any where in scriptureFirst off, when Jesus was born here, he wasn't called “The Word of God” or “Wisdom”, or “The Messenger of the LORD” for obvious reasons.…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2010,02:13)Answer me this T8, does a Preexistent Being Learn OBEDIENCE as it say Jesus did.Yes.When he emptied himself, it is logical to assume that he started life in the flesh (as we do) from a beginning.In other words by emptying himself of his previous nature, and taking on flesh, he was born like us and because…[Read more]

It is clear that the wicked shall perish/ be destroyed.Even the most quoted verse of the bible agrees. (John 3:16).Rather than expand this topic, (as this one is about the Church), here is a study on this subject:https://www.heavennet.net/answers/answer26.htm

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2010,15:30)T8…….And aren't you denying Jesus came into (existence) in the Flesh , you believe he was morphed into existence in the flesh right, and had already preexisted , so to you he did not (COME) IN THE FLESH  BUT WAS SENT FROM HEAVEN AND MORPHED INTO THE FLESH. But John said He came (IN) FLESH and I…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 20 2010,23:10)One day a Catholic Priest was walking down the street and saw a little girl on her front porch with a box of newborn kittens.The little girl greeted him, “Hello Father; these are Catholic kittens.”The Priest replied, “That's nice. Bless you child.”A week later the Priest saw the little girl again with the box of…[Read more]

david.A witness is not a person who joins any particular denomination.A witness is someone who speaks the true message of God about God.God's structure is not like our structures.We run businesses and people think that churches should be run the same way. And they are actually right because a man-made church is a man-made creation that is there to…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 12 2010,00:14)Do you believe then it is wrong to say God begat God, as in Jesus pre-existant was 100% God the Father ? Cause that's what they are saying over in another thread ?It is wrong if it means that the only true God, begat another God which would then not be the only true one.However, the word theos can be used to not…[Read more]

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.Compare with The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works” and “I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began”. Proverbs 8 22-23 5 For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 15 2010,07:40)No! You are the one gurgitating “pure nonsense.” Wisdom is called “she” and a “woman” in chapter 9. It's figurative dude! Use the mind God gave you!the RooRoo if you used the mind that God gave you would notice that Wisdom is then called the Workman at his side.So it is talking of wisdom as an attribute or…[Read more]