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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Prophet Hawking in the forum Creation & Science 16 years ago

    Quote (Stu @ Sep. 03 2010,15:58)Looks like some journalists have taken some words out of Hawking's book and rearranged them to make their own sentences.Um, did he say there was no God or not? If he said it, then he is saying that something came from nothing. Unless he has a theory or belief in an eternal thing, but then that thing is God to him,…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Prophet Hawking in the forum Creation & Science 16 years ago

    Quote (Stu @ Sep. 03 2010,16:10)The christian world is full of invisible intent, conspiracy, grudge, retribution, threat of punishment, salvation by snake oil and self-flagellation.I have to agree that the Christian religion does have such things as does other parts of society.But this website is not promoting the Christian religion or any other…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Prophet Hawking in the forum Creation & Science 16 years ago

    Quote (Stu @ Sep. 03 2010,15:58)In case anyone considers that matter just appearing is an unacceptable concept, firstly it is happening right now inside your own body: quantum particles disappear and reappear all the time. Secondly, if you are religious, would it not be hypocritical to attack an idea you find difficult to comprehend if you…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Prophet Hawking in the forum Creation & Science 16 years ago

    All unbelief in God starts somewhere and in his case it could have been fuelled by a possible grudge against an all powerful God who left him unchanged in a wheel chair. Years later, the seed grows and solidifies his now well developed atheism and then he uses his influence to turn people away from believing in him.In any case, when he dies, he…[Read more]

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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 28 2010,18:30)To All …………..All this yakking and no one addressing the subject of this thread. Why must Christ pre-exist? Let here son (GOOD REASONS) WHY JESUS HAD TO PREEXIST. Surely all you who believe he did preexist can come up with something. Put your heads together and come up with some reason he (MUST)…[Read more]

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    You know Edj sometimes I attempt to read your posts, but the n umbers distract you from the words and I always give up. Consequently, I have never read a post of yours to completion that i can remember.

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    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 31 2010,15:19)Quote (t8 @ Aug. 31 2010,19:56)Q: Is there today a true churche to go to ?A: All believers are the Church. You don't go to Church you are the Church. When 2 or 3 are gathered, then you have a congregation and fellowship.hi T8i have to disagree with you in part only;;,Jesus says that it is not all the ones who…[Read more]

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    Q: Is there today a true churche to go to ?A: All believers are the Church. You don't go to Church you are the Church. When 2 or 3 are gathered, then you have a congregation and fellowship.

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    Many Trinitarians use the same verses to support their view. It seems to me in my experience, besides their interpretation of John 1:1, there are other verses they use often, that have doubts as to their authenticity.Here are a few of the most common:1 John 5:7-8 (King James Version)(NOTE: The Comma is in bold)5:7 “For there are three that bear…[Read more]

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    Quote (david @ Aug. 22 2010,09:44)I'd like to begin with the most simple one, the one that doesn't belong:  Revelation 1:11REVELATION 1:11The phrase “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last” found in the King James Bible and a few others, is NOT found in some of the oldest Greek manuscripts, such as the Alexandrine, Sinaitic, and Codex Ephr…[Read more]

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    Quote (shara @ Aug. 30 2010,04:26)Jesus was not God.        * He was born a babe (Luke 2:7).        * He “increased in wisdom” (Luke 2:52).        * He “learned obedience by the things that he suffered” (Heb. 5:8).        * He was “in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin” (Heb. 4:15).        * He “offered up prayers and supplic…[Read more]

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    No wrong thread.I know you are making a point, but the real point is that if such things are more important to you, then you go to places where such things are discussed.Why would I go to a forum about cars and talk about soccer for example?

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    Salvation is a free gift, but the gift is given under the condition that you are repentant.If you are not repentant, then you renege on the gift.Being in a state of repentance is not a work, it is a state.

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    Yes if God is referred to as HIM and HIS, then those that believe in the Trinity Doctrine do not believe that God is a HIM/HIS.They actually believe that God is THEM because there are 3 persons in their God.The only thing that is one about their version of God is the substance. One substance three persons.Therefore, they refer to the substance as…[Read more]

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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 24 2010,02:39)T8………We to can come to the (FULL) Measure of Jesus also as scripture says. That is the purpose pf GOD , to bring us (ALL) tho that (FULL) Measure that is in Christ Jesus. This is our Hope in GOD. But you separate Jesus from our (exact) idenity by you false teaching of Preexistence. IMO peace and…[Read more]

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    EdJYou make an opinion and then throw around a few numbers as if somehow that makes your opinion legit.But your post doesn't cut it with those who study the word. We require at least scripture, and it is also helpful to show the workings of clear thinking as to how you landed on your opinion. You have done neither.Also, Hebrew characters doesn't…[Read more]

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    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2010,21:44)Hi T8,Jer.1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.Would you “only” apply John 15:27 to “The…[Read more]

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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2010,12:05)You say Jesus was morphed into an Human being without any memory, then you say he remembered the glory he had in the past with the Father when he preexisted as some other kind of Being.I don't say that, scripture does. He existed in the form of God, emptied himself, existed in the form of man, humbled…[Read more]

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    Without reading the posts here due to lack of time, I should point out something that needs to be said.God has many attributes. Truth, life, wisdom, love, etc.Sometimes God expresses these attributes in a living being besides himself. e.g., wisdom was given birth and was the craftsman at God's side.Jesus who is not God, said he was the Truth and…[Read more]

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