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Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 10 months ago
The idea that God created all things through Christ meaning that God had him in mind, is reading too much into what the text is saying. If we allow such rules, then we can add in any context that itching ears desire to hear.Also:“For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ,that though He was rich, yet for our sakes He became poor, that you t…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 10 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 24 2010,13:42)Is it abundantly clear from this passage that the Jews to whom Jesus was talking clearly understood him to be saying that he himself CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN?Yes or No guys………and be honest – no diversions okay?Did you get an answer or did you get nothing?
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 10 months ago
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 25 2010,01:34)Adam………..Good post brother and accurate also. People do not realize how our text have be alter over time and influenced by Trinitarian and Preexistence translators over time. Their overall work is a Work of SEPARATION of JESUS from our EXACT identity. This is the work of Antichrist and they do not…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Pre-existent scriptural database in the forum Group Discussions 15 years, 10 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 21 2010,09:18)Proverbs 30:4 (New International Version)4 Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Whose hands have gathered up the wind? Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is the name of his son? Surely you know!(Thanks for that on…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Pre-existent scriptural database in the forum Group Discussions 15 years, 10 months ago
Nice scriptures.It is amazing how many there are and even more amazing to think that anyone could change them all and for what?
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 10 months ago
“Irenaeus could still interpret MK. Xiii, 32 in the following manner: the Son confessed not to know that which only the Father knew; hence ' we learn from himself that the Father is over all', as he who is greater also than the Son. But the Nicene theologians had now suddenly to deny that Jesus could have said such a thing about the Son. In the…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 10 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 21 2010,11:35)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 21 2010,11:00)Do you have any other verses that you think do not fit what I am saying?Hi t8,Here are just a few.John 8:44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 10 months ago
Do you have any other verses that you think do not fit what I am saying?
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 10 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 21 2010,10:04)And Jesus was called THE begotten god in John 1:18. That doesn't imply “nature” or “qualifyer” to me, but an “identity”.Mike look at the Greek.18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him .the only begotten Son part is the…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 15 years, 10 months ago
Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 14 2010,02:38)If i were able, i would give you a block…i cannot, however, but i csn recommend to 'Heaven' that it be done so.JA I thought you could hand out blocks?Just click the post that says “warn” and you should see a check box called “Increment this user's warning level?”. If you click that check box, then they will…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 10 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 21 2010,10:04)God simply implies “a mighty one”. And many can and have been INDENTIFIED as “mighty ones”. And not all of them have a “divine nature”.Did you know that there is no indefinite article 'a' in Greek. It is added in by translators to make the sentence legible in English. So when Jesus said “one of you is a d…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 10 months ago
Mike.There are many identified as theos that is not in a nature or qualitative sense, that is true. e.g., idols are in identity false gods. Satan is in identity the God of this age.So yes all gods being identified are false with the exception of the one true God.So yes there are many gods, but there is only one true God.Other mentions of theos…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 15 years, 10 months ago
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 20 2010,13:04)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 19 2010,12:47)Well even with free will, you still need to know what the choices are.Once you are drawn or made conscious of the options, you can still say no.T8………….What you have done here in answering Adam is exactly the problem with Preexistences they alway have some way out of a…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 10 months ago
There are 2 ways in which you can use the word God (theos).Qualitatively and as an identifier.If you say theos from theos in quality or nature then that would not be the same as THEOS from THEOS which would mean GOD from GOD which means we now have 2 Gods.Theos as in THE THEOS or Theos is God unless it talks about another God such as God of this…[Read more]
Proclaimer started the topic in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 10 months ago
This is a continuation of the topic Preexistence (Part 1).
Proclaimer replied to the topic Preexistence in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 10 months ago
John 6:38-40 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me; and this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up at the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that every one who sees the Son and believes in him should have eternal life;…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Preexistence in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 10 months ago
Hi JA. There is always reward for works.We have salvation and we can have reward on top of that.I suspect that as it is written that we go from glory to glory, so it is with Christ.This fits with God the Father being the only one that knows all things.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Preexistence in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 10 months ago
If you think that Christ should not be a mystery to the Jews and all others then think again.Ephesians 3:4In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ,Romans 16:25Now to him who is able to establish you in accordance with my gospel, the message I proclaim about Jesus Christ, in keeping with the…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Debating bodhitharta in the forum The Hot Seat 15 years, 10 months ago
Quote (Stu @ Nov. 01 2010,17:26)So will you withdraw the accusation that I criticised you for using Wikipedia in the manner I used it?Thanks.StuartAre you denying this outright?Because if you were, then I can understand you wanting me to withdraw. If not, then why withdraw something that could be true? Surely it is OK to say that I remember…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Preexistence in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 10 months ago
Read this text carefully.John 8:56-5856 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” 57 “You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!” 58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”Clearly the pretext is talking about Jesus only being 5…[Read more]
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