Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 24 2011,05:03)he is stilll Judas as much he was the Devil.No he is Judas and Satan is the Devil.Judas in not THE Devil he under the influence of the Devil. Being possessed, taken over, doesn't change a person into another person. It is still the original person under the influence.If I am indwelt by God's Spirit and I…[Read more]

If I make 100% orange juice and then take out 50% of the water, am I left with 200% orange juice?

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,15:37)Well T8, to be honest im confused. I dont know where you going with these verses. Are you trying to prove that Jesus is not God? becuause your using scriptures that easily are interpreted by thier context, but how does that disprove that Jesus is a diety? And what do you believe the Term God means? is…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,15:37)Lets start with Theos.Ephesians 1:3- Obviosuly is used for the Father. John 20:28-29- I agree its about Jesus.2 Corinthians 4:4- This is where i can prove that Satan is not a God at all. To be a God of an age, is not a god for its a limit to a authority that was never his to begin with. Its permissable…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,15:37)Thats nice, but the bible Claims God created Good and Evil.Actually there are alot of things that are not spiritual as well. So is God ONLY spiritual? is he not Physical as well?Let me put of the peice of the puzzle that you forgot to mention which happens to be Jesus Christ.One cannot represent God…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,15:37)So Qualitive would have to be proven in every reference.Greek language is helpful here. THE in Greek identifies. Lack of the definite article (THE) qualifies.If I say THE river in Greek, they will want to know WHICH one.If I say river, then they might want an explanation about the general nature of a…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,15:37)So Judas was still Judas, but it had nothing to do with Qaulity but possession. So As Judas was still Judas, he was still as much as Satan as Satan was. Who said the Devil had horns? (Im honestly asking)It does. He is either devil in identity making him the Devil or in nature/quality/characteristic.…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,15:37)So now the question would be how is Jesus not a “supreme being”.There are plenty of verses I could give you, but I will give you the same one I gave you in the last post.John 8:42 (English NIV)Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,15:37)You state that God created all through him? what God? whom? Define God for the sake of clarification. Of course I agree the Father created beacuse I believe them to be one and the same. But thats the way I see it, which is easy for me to understand. But as you wre stating in your last example that “God…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,15:37)True, But my point was that your case is simliar to Mike. (which didnt go to well for mike)I don't know if it went well for Mike or not, or perhaps it was you that lacked understanding. I don't know. I didn't follow that one. But I can assure you that it will go well because I repeat scripture and if…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2011,14:36)OF God, OF God, OF God.Come on Jack. For one to have the radiance OF someone else, then he can't possibly BE that “someone else”.For one to be the exact representation OF someone else, then he can't possibly BE that “someone else”.Etc, etc, etc.mikeWhy is that so hard for some to see I wonder?If 5 apples are…[Read more]

Simplyforgiven, your questions are easy to answer.1) T8 your taking the same route that Mike took in his debate over “elohim”.I didn't mention elohim at this point, (in your quote), so your point makes no sense to me.2) And we know that Jesus created and all things are sustain through him.Actually we know that God created all through him. So if…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 22 2011,07:59)Sure you can name many trinitys, binities etc, but can you put them together as sharing all authority and power, and all having the same attributes and characteristics and all sharing the same name?What about 1 Timothy 5:21“I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect…[Read more]

It is really not that hard.For us there is one God the Father.For others there are others WHO are God.Scripture is clear. The Father is the one true God.All others that are called God/gods are called that in a qualitative sense. i.e., only one is IDENTIFIED as the one true God. He is the originator of all, the Father of spirits.Just as there is…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 21 2011,21:11)If “a trinity” is a pattern of three, what would you call “A Pattern of Five”?God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgPentinity I think. There is some evidence for a Pentinity.You can run a program through scripture to bring up all instances of bunches of five. The Pentinity is in there…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Jan. 21 2011,20:20)Second, triad and trinity are not the same thing. In the triad the god is one person. In the trinity the God is three unified persons.What about 1 Timothy 5:21“I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels.”Is this a Trinity or Triad, or a new kind of Tri?And why was the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 21 2011,05:45)Hi AllThe topic of this debate was is their a “Trinity” in the Bible. Matthew 28:19 is proof itself that Jesus spoke himself of the three (a trinity).This debate is now open to anyone else that wants to respond to it.If anyone else has any input feel free to post here concerning Matthew 28:19 or if…[Read more]

Stu think of it like this. If the universe is first, then it had no cause because if it did, then it came from something and that something precedes the universe and therefore the universe came from it meaning the universe is not first. Whatever is first had no cause because by its very definition as being the first.Once we understand that, then…[Read more]

In the beginning was the Logos and the Logos was WITH God.The Logos became flesh and we know that Jesus CAME in the flesh.To further clarify, it states in scripture that God made all things through Jesus Christ and for him, just in case you didn't think that Jesus was the Logos that was with God in the beginning.Now a question for those who will…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Jan. 17 2011,20:01)Thanks for fixing the coding and extra posts t8.  I think Mr. Tate's posts are possessed by a poltergeist which infects replies too.StuartNo problem. I just performed an exorcism, and it came right after that.