Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,15:37)So Judas was still Judas, but it had nothing to do with Qaulity but possession. So As Judas was still Judas, he was still as much as Satan as Satan was. Who said the Devil had horns? (Im honestly asking)It does. He is either devil in identity making him the Devil or in nature/quality/characteristic.…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,15:37)So now the question would be how is Jesus not a “supreme being”.There are plenty of verses I could give you, but I will give you the same one I gave you in the last post.John 8:42 (English NIV)Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,15:37)You state that God created all through him? what God? whom? Define God for the sake of clarification. Of course I agree the Father created beacuse I believe them to be one and the same. But thats the way I see it, which is easy for me to understand. But as you wre stating in your last example that “God…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,15:37)True, But my point was that your case is simliar to Mike. (which didnt go to well for mike)I don't know if it went well for Mike or not, or perhaps it was you that lacked understanding. I don't know. I didn't follow that one. But I can assure you that it will go well because I repeat scripture and if…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2011,14:36)OF God, OF God, OF God.Come on Jack. For one to have the radiance OF someone else, then he can't possibly BE that “someone else”.For one to be the exact representation OF someone else, then he can't possibly BE that “someone else”.Etc, etc, etc.mikeWhy is that so hard for some to see I wonder?If 5 apples are…[Read more]

Simplyforgiven, your questions are easy to answer.1) T8 your taking the same route that Mike took in his debate over “elohim”.I didn't mention elohim at this point, (in your quote), so your point makes no sense to me.2) And we know that Jesus created and all things are sustain through him.Actually we know that God created all through him. So if…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 22 2011,07:59)Sure you can name many trinitys, binities etc, but can you put them together as sharing all authority and power, and all having the same attributes and characteristics and all sharing the same name?What about 1 Timothy 5:21“I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect…[Read more]

It is really not that hard.For us there is one God the Father.For others there are others WHO are God.Scripture is clear. The Father is the one true God.All others that are called God/gods are called that in a qualitative sense. i.e., only one is IDENTIFIED as the one true God. He is the originator of all, the Father of spirits.Just as there is…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 21 2011,21:11)If “a trinity” is a pattern of three, what would you call “A Pattern of Five”?God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgPentinity I think. There is some evidence for a Pentinity.You can run a program through scripture to bring up all instances of bunches of five. The Pentinity is in there…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Jan. 21 2011,20:20)Second, triad and trinity are not the same thing. In the triad the god is one person. In the trinity the God is three unified persons.What about 1 Timothy 5:21“I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels.”Is this a Trinity or Triad, or a new kind of Tri?And why was the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 21 2011,05:45)Hi AllThe topic of this debate was is their a “Trinity” in the Bible. Matthew 28:19 is proof itself that Jesus spoke himself of the three (a trinity).This debate is now open to anyone else that wants to respond to it.If anyone else has any input feel free to post here concerning Matthew 28:19 or if…[Read more]

Stu think of it like this. If the universe is first, then it had no cause because if it did, then it came from something and that something precedes the universe and therefore the universe came from it meaning the universe is not first. Whatever is first had no cause because by its very definition as being the first.Once we understand that, then…[Read more]

In the beginning was the Logos and the Logos was WITH God.The Logos became flesh and we know that Jesus CAME in the flesh.To further clarify, it states in scripture that God made all things through Jesus Christ and for him, just in case you didn't think that Jesus was the Logos that was with God in the beginning.Now a question for those who will…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Jan. 17 2011,20:01)Thanks for fixing the coding and extra posts t8.  I think Mr. Tate's posts are possessed by a poltergeist which infects replies too.StuartNo problem. I just performed an exorcism, and it came right after that.

Not concerned because you can argue that the universe is encased in a greater construct and then when you say where did that come from, you are just asking the same question and not getting a final answer.The only satisfactory answer is that the very beginning of all has to be:eterrnal/infiniteintelligent/awarehas a personality that is conducive…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ Jan. 17 2011,19:57)SF,T8,The problem most everyone seem to be having regarding 'elohim', 'God', is that there seems to be an attachment of the TITLE term 'God' to the Almighty God.While it is correct to say that Almighty God is God, it must also be acknowledged that the Title of God is a title than can be given to many others.As…[Read more]

China will be a superpower, if not the superpower of the 21st century.I worry about our part of the world and China's ambitions. I think Australia will be fine as they are investing billions in defense and warheads. But New Zealand thinks that they are too far away for anyone to attack, and thus we cannot defend ourselves.Our national anthem is…[Read more]

I should also mention that some quote part of the post that is relevant. That format is much easier to follow.If you can't part-quote, then just make a post and copy and paste the part that you want to quote and click the quote button, paste in the text, and click the quote button again to close the tag. If you can't do that, then quote the text…[Read more]

Why do people quote whole posts when the post is just above their reply.Think about it. It is much easier to read a conversation when it has one reply after another. When it is nothing but quotes inside quotes inside quotes, then I don't know about you, but I lose interest in the conversation.

Quote (Stu @ Jan. 17 2011,20:20)It is true that ice takes up more volume than water, but it is not the melting of the ice so much as the thermal expansion of the water that is the mechanism which will raise water levels.StuartYeah that was my understanding. But if you talk to the average person, they think the sea levels will rise because there is…[Read more]