Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 10 2011,04:21)MikeNot so. Because Jesus is also man. So only men not angels or any other creature can sit in Jesus throne. Revelations tell us that only Jesus shares Gods throne with the Father. Only God could sit in that throne.Do the scriptures say that anyone but Jesus sits in the Throne of God?So your point is a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 09 2011,09:02)No I didn't miss the point at all.You think the term God identifies the Father and is exclusive to the Father. But it doesn't.Its funny but even you yourself says that John 1:1c should be taken qualitatively yet now you switch it up to say God does not sit with God in his throne. So out of one side of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2011,09:31)You're entitled to your beliefs as much as anyone else, I guess.  I take ALL of the scriptures as divinely inspired of God, and you take only the ones that fit in good with your doctrines.  How fortunate for you to be able to just dismiss the scriptures that teach things you don't PERSONALLY agree with.    G…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 09 2011,09:06)Quote (t8 @ Feb. 08 2011,15:41)Jesus origin is the Father. Satan's origin is himself.t8No satan was created by Jesus. 'nothing came into being without him“!WJWrong.What God created was good. Satan was obviously named differently and was created good. But free will which enables true love is what makes a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2011,10:26)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 09 2011,09:11)Tell us t8, If to you satan is the God of this world then who is Jesus the God of?More word games, Keith?What does “God” mean to you in referrence to Satan?  Does 2 Cor 4:4 mean that Satan is the CREATOR of this world………or the RULER of it?If Satan can be…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 09 2011,09:11)t8So satan gets to be a God and Jesus doesn't? You never answered my honest question…Tell us t8, If to you satan is the God of this world then who is Jesus the God of?The Bible does call Jesus God too doesn't it?WJScripture says that Jesus is the son of God and Satan is the theos of this age.Laugh all…[Read more]

You missed the point again WJ.Read again WJ.Revelation 3:21To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.The point I made is that your logic pertaining to Jesus sitting on God's throne needs to also work with us sitting on Jesus throne.i.e, if you…[Read more]

You are allowed to laugh at scripture. Although you may be laughing out of embarrassment. But let me show you a better way. Let scripture teach you. Respect scripture and put it before your own understanding. Learn to love scripture.The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Feb. 09 2011,03:06)Hi Mike and Irene:You say Jesus “emptied himself” prior to becoming a man.  What does that mean?  Emptied himself in what way or of what?Love in Christ,MartyNature of God > Emptying > Nature of man > Humility > Death > Resurrection -back to the glory he had before the world began.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 07 2011,16:15)T8…….saying you can't empty yourself of some thing is not true , for instance if i were a general of a large army , could i empty myself of the and take on the role of a common solider, yes i could and Jesus could do the same that does not make him a preexistence anything, it just represents his…[Read more]

KJ, both WJ and yourself have again missed the point. Perhaps you are incapable of understanding the point, because the Trinity Doctrine blocks the understanding?Jesus only does what the Father does. Satan does what he wants.Jesus origin is the Father. Satan's origin is himself.Satan is the god of this age.Jesus is the son of God.Just because…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 08 2011,07:27)Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 07 2011,15:06)Youngs Literal Translation has it worded as this;He who is overcoming — I will give to him to sit with me in my throne, as I also did overcome and did sit down with my Father in His throne.Which could mean slightly different. Actually it look's more like two. Father…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 09 2011,03:16)WAS HE A PUPPET ON A STRING THAT COULD DO NOTHING ON HIS OWN?Not a puppet because puppets are dead.But he definitely did nothing of his own accord.Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 08 2011,04:56)HA HA.It is you that can't see it. If he has all authority and power then that means to us he sits in the active role as God for all things come to us from him. If he is not God to us then our relationship with him would be Idolatry for he stands between us and the Father.I get the last laugh WJ. Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 08 2011,08:46)t8 said:Quote Is an idol greater than Michael the Archangel for example? Because idols are called theos, and Michael is called an angel. This you cannot deny, so why don't you argue this if you truly believe your own interpretation of my words. WJ replied:Quote But that is why in the NT it translates it as…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 08 2011,04:25)Also thanks for quoting Johns commentary telling us that Jesus is claiming to be equal to the Father. Of course if he can do whatever he sees the Father do then that means he is equal.Amen, and did you know that being equal also means that you are not that which you are equal to.e.g., 3 + 2 = 5 and 1 +…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 08 2011,04:25)Look Again t8.Jesus “sees” what the Father does and “He does it”.Can you make that claim, that whatever the Father does you can do?The last four of five dialogs I have had with you in these forums have demonstrated a pattern of misrepresentation or misunderstanding.I never made the claim that I only do…[Read more]

Did you know Stu that you often hear things like, “the evolution of the internet” and in reality it was created. So the so-called evolution of the eye is not to be confused with your belief/religion that there is no God.

Study of the material world and study of the spiritual world doesn't have to end in conflict. Some of the greatest scientists the world has seen believed and believe in God. Isaac Newton, Copernicus, Galileo, Faraday, Einstein for example. Although never coming to belief in a personal God, Einstein recognized the impossibility of a non-created…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 25 2011,05:48)And your point is? The Father does not speak apart from the Son does he? Heb 1:1.“Truly, truly I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner”The preceding verse even say…[Read more]