You missed the point again WJ.Read again WJ.Revelation 3:21To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.The point I made is that your logic pertaining to Jesus sitting on God's throne needs to also work with us sitting on Jesus throne.i.e, if you…[Read more]

You are allowed to laugh at scripture. Although you may be laughing out of embarrassment. But let me show you a better way. Let scripture teach you. Respect scripture and put it before your own understanding. Learn to love scripture.The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Feb. 09 2011,03:06)Hi Mike and Irene:You say Jesus “emptied himself” prior to becoming a man.  What does that mean?  Emptied himself in what way or of what?Love in Christ,MartyNature of God > Emptying > Nature of man > Humility > Death > Resurrection -back to the glory he had before the world began.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 07 2011,16:15)T8…….saying you can't empty yourself of some thing is not true , for instance if i were a general of a large army , could i empty myself of the and take on the role of a common solider, yes i could and Jesus could do the same that does not make him a preexistence anything, it just represents his…[Read more]

KJ, both WJ and yourself have again missed the point. Perhaps you are incapable of understanding the point, because the Trinity Doctrine blocks the understanding?Jesus only does what the Father does. Satan does what he wants.Jesus origin is the Father. Satan's origin is himself.Satan is the god of this age.Jesus is the son of God.Just because…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 08 2011,07:27)Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 07 2011,15:06)Youngs Literal Translation has it worded as this;He who is overcoming — I will give to him to sit with me in my throne, as I also did overcome and did sit down with my Father in His throne.Which could mean slightly different. Actually it look's more like two. Father…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 09 2011,03:16)WAS HE A PUPPET ON A STRING THAT COULD DO NOTHING ON HIS OWN?Not a puppet because puppets are dead.But he definitely did nothing of his own accord.Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 08 2011,04:56)HA HA.It is you that can't see it. If he has all authority and power then that means to us he sits in the active role as God for all things come to us from him. If he is not God to us then our relationship with him would be Idolatry for he stands between us and the Father.I get the last laugh WJ. Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 08 2011,08:46)t8 said:Quote Is an idol greater than Michael the Archangel for example? Because idols are called theos, and Michael is called an angel. This you cannot deny, so why don't you argue this if you truly believe your own interpretation of my words. WJ replied:Quote But that is why in the NT it translates it as…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 08 2011,04:25)Also thanks for quoting Johns commentary telling us that Jesus is claiming to be equal to the Father. Of course if he can do whatever he sees the Father do then that means he is equal.Amen, and did you know that being equal also means that you are not that which you are equal to.e.g., 3 + 2 = 5 and 1 +…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 08 2011,04:25)Look Again t8.Jesus “sees” what the Father does and “He does it”.Can you make that claim, that whatever the Father does you can do?The last four of five dialogs I have had with you in these forums have demonstrated a pattern of misrepresentation or misunderstanding.I never made the claim that I only do…[Read more]

Did you know Stu that you often hear things like, “the evolution of the internet” and in reality it was created. So the so-called evolution of the eye is not to be confused with your belief/religion that there is no God.

Study of the material world and study of the spiritual world doesn't have to end in conflict. Some of the greatest scientists the world has seen believed and believe in God. Isaac Newton, Copernicus, Galileo, Faraday, Einstein for example. Although never coming to belief in a personal God, Einstein recognized the impossibility of a non-created…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 25 2011,05:48)And your point is? The Father does not speak apart from the Son does he? Heb 1:1.“Truly, truly I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner”The preceding verse even say…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 25 2011,05:48)So Jesus is not telling the truth when he said……”ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH”.Matt 28:18Ha ha ha.Can you not see it.It is GIVEN to him.Who is greater, the giver or the receiver?If Jesus receives this authority, then who is it that gives it to him? A clue, he must be greater…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 25 2011,05:48)Boy you sound upset. Of course I would say what? That “It “APPEARS”” here that satan is greater than Jesus”? I only quoted your own words…You didn't quote my words, you added that one was 'greater' than the other when I make no such statement. You are clearly false on this one.Is an idol greater tha…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Jan. 24 2011,23:44)On the surface, it seems true, that if Satan is the God of this world, how can all authority belong to Jesus? That seems redundant. Sorry for the interruption-MarkFirst off, it is not me who says it but scripture and second, Satan as the God of this Age means that he has an allotted time and that his time is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 07 2011,08:06)Okay Marty. But still that doesn't answer my point. You can not “empty yourself” if you were never “full”, right?You can not “make yourself of no reputation” if you didn't already have a reputation to start with.Word it however you like, but the fact remains that one can not “lower himself” unless he was…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 04 2011,02:42)Marty……..You have it right Jesus did (NOT) PREEXIST His berth on earth as a sentential being of any kind, he existed only in the Plan and Will of GOD,Besides your own understanding, show us a scripture that says that he existed (only in the mind of God).

Just when you thought it was gone, it had one more sting in its tail and dropped about six months worth of rain in a few hours in the same area where the Black Saturday Fires happened 2 years ago. http://tvnz.co.nz/world-n….4014193And this came a few weeks after the worst floods in a century as seen in the next video.There have been massive…[Read more]