i don't think that its so clear cut as to if they are only seperate and totally different in all sense or if thy are all from the same source yet not equal in every aspect.i see that he is called the son of god but then also you can be lead to beleive the other also.why when jesus said who do you think i am they replied you are Christ jesus son of…[Read more]

i think now that the illistration of a father and son is just to help mere imperfect humans try to have a easier grasp on certain things he is trying to show. that it doesn't have to mean a literal father & son both being totaly seperate and unique of each other.that it just shows how one is to be held above another. that is why one is to only…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 29 2009,14:02)Marty said:Quote Jesus did not exist as a sentient person in the beginning but God made all things with him in mind, and so this verse of scripture can either mean that God created all things with him in mind or it can mean in the sense that he is building the Holy Temple of God, and from the beginning God…[Read more]

david you said no to those questions? did jw's change then? they still have that mentality i posted even as i type this.they still beleive that.

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 30 2009,02:54)Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 29 2009,15:58)hi TTread chap;8 very slowly and you will see that the housewife was not created before the mountain were set in place,or Pr 8:36 But whoever fails to find me harms himself;all who hate me love death,those are the words of Christ,Pr 8:23 I was appointed from…[Read more]

fyi DAVID, your thread is about the tilte trick or confusion abour “savior” well the whle trinity , triune argument and your 3 spererate beings all that fits into that topic. it show and illistrates those two ways of thinking that how one can be or both. there are various topics that can fit under your topic.actually that whole discussion triune…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Dec. 29 2009,17:16)Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 29 2009,05:14)Quote (david @ Dec. 28 2009,17:58)Quote ]THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WHAT THINKER SAID ABOVE, THAT I MADE BOLD.  THAT IS ALL THIS THREAD IS ABOUT.  THAT'S IT.  PLEASE TRY TO RESPECT MY WISHES TO STAY ON TOPIC!Peace2all, did you notice the words above.  They are the first words of thi…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 29 2009,15:48)Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 29 2009,15:44)hi TTyou have to understand it, in the spirit of Christ,the scriptures are full of verses that are attributed to Christ.i am just a fishermanRead Proverbs 8 with chapter 9. Wisdom is personified as a housewife. The Proverb does not speak about Christ being created. Whay…[Read more]

Quote (banana @ Dec. 25 2009,09:42)thinker  We who know that God is a title will never make Jesus a deity like His Father is.  Jesus had a beginning.  And Scriptures proof so.Col. 1:15Rev. 3:14And by Jesus own word He said this inJohn 17:5  And now O Father glorify Me together with Yourself with the glory I had with You before the world was.   A…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 29 2009,10:42)Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2009,10:18)Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 29 2009,03:13)holy spirit is called THE WORD.Hi Peace to all,Your eyes are truly beginning to open!That is exactly who John 1:1 is referring to as “The Word”(HolySpirit)!God bless youEd Jhttp://www.holycitybiblecode.orgED J,The Word is not the Holy…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 29 2009,08:47)hi p2the clubs are open to anyone make your pick and keep your mouth shut.what ?

now i'm at the point which place of worship i should go to, to continue my journey. i see that most branches ,methodist,baptists,luthern or whatever are all pretty close.does anyone know of methodists. i read about them on wikipedia and it sems to all sound good. i'm not familiar with whats out there. anyone have any insight. should one try to go…[Read more]

Jack,my name is Ron by the way.its not as if that view is making false gods or more than the GOD . seems more like the history of their relationship adn how it is formed and in union.

thanks jack. i don't think that those are enemies of christ but just are holding a view that they see to fit. i think thats ok too as long as only the father is worshiped as GOD and the son is put in what position GOD had chose for his relationship.. i don't think that its a issue that leads one astray or changes there view on both. just all the…[Read more]

i havent seen a scripture that says jesus or the word or holy spirit ever being created. but were there when he was, so then it leads one to believe that tehy are part of himself and extension. all these illistartions of son and father are t oshow humans the relationship or way they are to be viewed. thus making his point to worship only the…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Dec. 28 2009,17:58)Quote ]THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WHAT THINKER SAID ABOVE, THAT I MADE BOLD.  THAT IS ALL THIS THREAD IS ABOUT.  THAT'S IT.  PLEASE TRY TO RESPECT MY WISHES TO STAY ON TOPIC!Peace2all, did you notice the words above.  They are the first words of this thread.  I repeated them a few pages back.Everything you have said…[Read more]

Quote (chosenone @ Dec. 28 2009,16:09)Hi pease2all.   Some other aspects:    Rev.3:14   …14 “And to the messenger of the ecclesia in Laodicea write: 'Now this is saying the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, and God's Creative Original:   1Cor.15:22   …22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.   Ro.…[Read more]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 29 2009,04:05)Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 27 2009,12:12)Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 28 2009,06:32)I will give a weak example from the physical realm that only gives a poor glimpse of how He is able to be one. Take H2O. It is found in three distinct states. Liquid, steam and ice, all H2O.I agree with this bit here, or like…[Read more]

i have now felt inside that having this new aspect or insight has made my heart rejoice more. true love is coming forth from me and is leading my being towards love and compassion. i feel that i am actually living for god as one should.this feels good, i don't feel so alone or doomed or burdened on lifes woes that come to me.peace to all

jesus as we mere man know him only when god's spirit placed the spirit seed in mary that is correct.i was now thinking, that jesus was refered to as THE WORD and God created al through him. no mention of the HOLY SPIRIT. yet th holy spirit of/from god is what does all his things. also holy spirit is called THE WORD. so iit is my understanding then…[Read more]