Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 12 2009,22:02)Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 11 2009,15:00)Quote (banana @ Dec. 12 2009,07:02)Let me add my understanding of the subject.  In John 17:5 Jesus tells us that He wants to go back to where He was before.Now if He only was a thought or a plan in God's mind, He went back to that?  Now that makes no sense.He had a…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 12 2009,06:13)Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 12 2009,06:00)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 12 2009,05:22)Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 11 2009,21:38)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 11 2009,01:55)Constitutionalist is a pharisee.thinkerPersonal attacks make you feel good?I remember you calling people “pagans” on the halloween thread. You are a…[Read more]

Quote (banana @ Dec. 12 2009,07:02)Let me add my understanding of the subject.  In John 17:5 Jesus tells us that He wants to go back to where He was before.Now if He only was a thought or a plan in God's mind, He went back to that?  Now that makes no sense.He had a glory with the Father before He became a man.If it says in Rev. 3:14 that He was t…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 12 2009,09:07)Hi TT, If you want to know Jesus and God know the Spirit. They are one in the Spirit of God . The lord is the Spiritspirit as in god's holy spirit?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 12 2009,09:08)Hi TT, So God is an advocate for Himself??i was going to say the same thing.yhwhyehowahjehovahyahovahyehowahwahtever you think it is its all dang close.jehovah is just the most widely used for many centuries.its not wrong or bad or taboo.the translation from old to the modern day wnglish are very very…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 12 2009,08:09)peace2all said:Quote mowhere does it say hebrew meaning for firstborn is supreme.Included in the Hebrew idea of the word “firstborn” is “supreme.”15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible,…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 12 2009,06:32)peace2all said:Quote even if there was some hidden meaning within, does god then saying his son was supreme of creation? that makes no sense. becasue it didn't say he was firstborn OVER creation but OFP2,First, there was no “hidden” meaning to the Jew. The firstborn had the supremacy. Paul explicitly said…[Read more]

the punishment for sin from adam was eternal death.however jesus made it forgiveable to god and we have a way for god's eternal life now by followig jesus's example

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 12 2009,05:22)Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 11 2009,21:38)Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 11 2009,01:55)Constitutionalist is a pharisee.thinkerPersonal attacks make you feel good?I remember you calling people “pagans” on the halloween thread. You are a pharisee. If I don't point it out the innocent and unlearned here might not…[Read more]

TT, do believe jesus, god's son our messiah has come already or are you still awaiting his first arrival?do you beleive that christ jesus is god's son?when he said that he does not his own will, but only the will of his father do you agree?

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 12 2009,05:19)Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 12 2009,03:46)food for thought TT.the bible says that god almighty had no begining nor end.the bible says that god's son who is jesus was the firstborn of creation.does the bible speak is such ways that are twisted and mystical and hard to understand when the message is clear?why does…[Read more]

food for thought TT.the bible says that god almighty had no begining nor end.the bible says that god's son who is jesus was the firstborn of creation.does the bible speak is such ways that are twisted and mystical and hard to understand when the message is clear?why does one have to always try to interpret scriptures when it is evadent to what is…[Read more]

“”The truth is that Judaism is a corruption of the religion God gave to Moses. It, too, was syncretic: part pagan, part truth, bound together by their own reasoning. In many places, Jesus corrected and railed against the Sadducees, the scribes, and the Pharisees. He said directly that they had rejected God's commandments to keep their own…[Read more]

lets try to find out who and what they were about.they were a major religious societies of Judaism then.The name Pharisee in its Hebrew form means separatists, or the separated ones. They were also known as chasidim, which means loyal to God, or loved of God – extremely ironic in view of the fact that by His time, they made themselves the most…[Read more]

kerwin. he wasn't the messiah t oue of christ until his baptism.thats what im saying. he was god's son in heaven before his arrival on earth. so to say god's son didn't pre exsist is wrong. do you believe he was god's son first in heaven beside god, crating all and then he became our christ our messiah after.. he still was god's son first one…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 11 2009,17:29)peace2all wrote:Quote the bible will not contradict itself. you add opinions, I’ve used scriptures.The Devil used scriptures in tempting Jesus.  That in itself proves nothing.  The question is do you believe Peter when he states that some scripture is hard to understand.   I ask because you insist that unde…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 11 2009,11:48)hi p2i think what kerwin try to tell you is that the scriptures said that christ was born out of the vergin with the Holy spirit ,and you talk abode that Christ came from above ,you both right it is just time and fullfillment of Gods will.he was god's son before he was our christ, that is the point!he was in…[Read more]

just becasue those of you who will not accept jesus as what he is, what he did and what he means to us all, does not make me against god.thanks kerwin but noone here is saying otherwise. one must do both things. obey his laws and that of those in spirit. that is way jesus is now the new covenant.we are to teach and reach and make disciples and get…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 11 2009,17:40)If you are disobeying the moral requirements of the Law of Mosses then you are walking according to the ways of the flesh (aka world) and not according to the ways of the Spirit.never did i say they are not required or obsolete or gone or unemportant. do yuo not read the posts?i did not say that they are no…[Read more]

why is it that you want to bypass or just ignore anything jesus did, does or offers us all?