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    Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Aug. 11 2011,03:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 10 2011,12:48)Jack,Who were the sons of God that shouted for joy when God laid the foundations of the earth?Some translations simply say “mighty ones.” Angels do not marry human women and beget offspring. KJReally Jack?  Is that your answer?  :DWhat does the HEBREW say, Jack?  …[Read more]

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    Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 10 2011,21:34)….that makes it a half trinity…my saying….not according to any Scriptures, just like you do with Jehovah….Irene:D :laugh: :D

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2011,20:54)Ask them if their parents are human like they are.  I think they can teach you something in these regards, Mike.  Like begets like is rather elementary.Hello friend,I'm sure that most of them would understand that a Spirit Being would beget a spirit being, Kathi.  Because God is a Spirit Being, and so is th…[Read more]

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    Quote (942767 @ Aug. 10 2011,19:31)Wrong.  He did not have any blood.  Kathi already responded and told you what the scripture states.Really Marty?  He didn't mention having kneecaps in that scripture.  Are we to assume that he didn't have kneecaps?  ???I've addressed Kathi's point already.  1.  Just because he didn't specifically mention blood…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 3 months ago

    Prior to the creation of the second born of all creation, Marty.  So, when was the second born (most likely one of God's angels) created?  Whenever that was, Jesus was created BEFORE that one.mike

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    Like I said, there is hardly anything you post these days that has an ounce of scriptural truth to it. Your whole last post is proof of this.They believed he was God because he was the Son of God? ???Oh brother. Even a kindergartner could tell you the serious problem with that statement.Take care Kathi,mike

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    Ed,When YOU address these simple questions with DIRECT and HONEST answers, we can move on.1.  When Jehovah is called “the God of gods”, WHO are the gods Jehovah is the God of?2.  When Jehovah calls Satan “the god of Ekron”, is Jehovah calling Satan a god?3.  When Paul calls Satan “the god of this age”, is Paul calling Satan a god?4.  When Paul say…[Read more]

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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 10 2011,08:43)Mike…………I don't want to get side tracked here about our disagreement of Jesus' Preexisting his berth on earth, so i will not answer your last question about firstbornFair enough.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 10 2011,08:43)So we can then agree according to your words that Jesus (the Man) did not…[Read more]

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    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 09 2011,23:27)If his body was 100% human being and 0% spirit being as you apply then how was he both a human being and a spirit being at that time?When did I ever say that?  ???  He WAS 100% spirit being, then was made 100% human being, then died, was raised 100% human being for 40 days, then was transformed back to 100% spirit b…[Read more]

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    Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 10 2011,13:23)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 11 2011,04:40)wjQuote Your doctrine leaves out the fact that all things were created by Jesus and for Jesus in the beginning is not what you would do if you where king,make all things for your son and give him all powers so that you can enjoy the way your son is doing things…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 10 2011,11:24)I will be back to finish my response to your last post to me soon.Just make sure the next post stays on topic, okay?We are discussing the words of Jesus himself in the 1st 8 chapters of John, remember?Your first verse backfired on you, for it is clear that God is the One who GAVE things to someone other…[Read more]

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    Pierre……………Well put!  :)I too will bow my knees to the one my God appointed as my Lord. :) Gladly!

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 3 months ago

    Bump for Marty……………and also for Kerwin.Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2011,09:59)Quote And since Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of this “new creation of God”, do those words mean that Jesus was the FIRST CREATURE EVER to be a part of this “new creation of God”?  YES or NO?Yes Love in Christ,MartyOkay Marty,Now we're getting somewhere.  You've agreed t…[Read more]

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    Jack,Who were the sons of God that shouted for joy when God laid the foundations of the earth?  (Job 38:7)And why, if the sons of God were sons of Seth, did Moses distinguish them from the daughters of MAN?  Were not the sons of Seth also the sons of MAN?

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 3 months ago

    Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 10 2011,11:31)Mike!  It is senseless to even try to convince those who just have their minds made up to what they want to believe some Scriptures teach them….No matter what Scripture you or Pierre or I put in front of them… How can you even say when Jesus said He came down from Heaven, it is something else…. Or He is…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 3 months ago

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 09 2011,22:47)I am confident you realize that God lives in those that believe through the Spirit and so you know that is also how God lives in Jesus who has a perfect faith.So then all of us believers are exactly the same as Jesus?  I wonder why only Jesus is God's ONLY begotten Son then.No one has ever gone into heaven…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 3 months ago

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 09 2011,22:39)Mike,I already answered the question by telling you that Jesus is the son of David's body and the Son of God's spirit that inherited the name that is above all other names.Okay Kerwin,What then do you make of the fact that Jesus is not only the Branch of David, but also the Root of David? Because this all ties…[Read more]

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    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 09 2011,22:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 10 2011,08:31)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 08 2011,23:24)That is not what the letter of John 1:14 teaches as John 1:14 compares the glory of the Word made flesh to the glory of the only begotten of God.I believe the Word was made human by the Spirit of God uniting with the human human being…[Read more]

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    YOU should also be held accountable, Ed. I've seen your “answers” to the blue questions. And I agree with Dennison that you are playing word games and being an annoyance.Try giving solid, plainly worded answers instead of what you gave, and perhaps you wouldn't annoy people like him and me so much.I mean, really. Look at your answer to the…[Read more]

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    I believe ALL scripture, Ed. But we've just gone through this whole discussion in the other thread.  In Hosea 13:4, it is implied that Jehovah is the ONLY savior.  Yet you yourself have admitted that Jehovah sent OTHER saviors.  So apparently, 13:4 does not LITERALLY mean Jehovah is the ONLY savior, does it?  It can't, right?The same applies wit…[Read more]

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