Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 13 2011,13:44)WJ lol dont get ahead of me goshhhh dont take my words out of my mouth before i can get to it! lol im glad we are in the same page though, read me like a book.     It seems to me that Keith has answered, “NO!  Death NEVER had mastery over God Almighty”.  And it seems that Dennison's answer is “YE…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 13 2011,13:34)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 13 2011,22:18)Hi D,Right after you address MY post about death at one time having mastery over God Almighty.mikeYes and now answer my questions“Yes” what?

Pierre,Great scriptures from the first 8 chapters of John's gospel!  These further the exercise of this thread by answering the question in 8:25.  So far, Jesus has said he is the SON OF God, the one that God anointed, the one that God SENT, the one that God GAVE, and one to whom God has GIVEN things.  He points out in your last verse that he ca…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 13 2011,22:11)Keith,Mike seems to like to ignore that there are different kinds of spirit beings…there is the God kind and there is the angelic kind.  If we clarify the spirit beings as the God spirit being kind and the angelic spirit being kind then he would have a more difficult time pushing his ideas, imo.KathiAnd…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2011,13:13)Tell us Mike…Are demons and satan who are spirit beings, “sons of God”?Absolutely Keith.Just as the Israelites didn't stop being sons of God when they turned against Him.  If your own son messes up, does he cease to be your son?  Keith, were you going to answer these questions – which ARE on the t…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 13 2011,20:09)Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 13 2011,23:20)Paladin!  You make it sound like that the cross is the object of our salvation, which it is not…..It is Jesus blood, the ransom of His life…..  Peace and Love IreneHi Irene,Paladin is right, people both worship the cross and also Jesus in the flesh; here are the S…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 13 2011,09:13)MIke…………I am going to slow this down a little……….Let focus on the Prophesy of Jesse…….Now who was the root of Jesse?, you seem to imply Jesse was Jesus' root, bit scripture shows it the other way around Jesus was the root of Jesse.I agree Gene.  Jesus is the Root of Jesse.Now if Jesse is…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2011,10:25)When will you see Mike that “right hand” is a metaphor of Jesus having all authority and power and ruling the creation?   He has exactly the amount of power, authority, and rule that his God GAVE him, Keith.  Can you DENY THIS?And when will YOU see that Bill's right hand man is NOT Bill himself?  Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2011,10:22)He did not say he was returning to a “greater Glory” did he Mike?Hebrews 1:4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.“He BECAME”, Keith.  What do those words tell us?  Do those words say “he ALWAYS WAS”?  Or does the word BECAME indicate that this a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2011,12:10)Now you are denying that it was through Jesus “OWN DEATH” that destroyed death!It was because Jesus' GOD raised him from the clutches of death that death was toppled. Jesus surely didn't raise HIMSELF from death while he was dead, Keith.Keith, did God place Jesus' enemies, including death, at his feet…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2011,12:08)Of course if you had eyes to see you would see my answer is “NO” neither did death have mastery over Jesus!Romans 6:9For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him.Was Paul lying, Keith?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2011,12:18)And what is your point? You do not even understand the principle of like begetting like. Begotten (Monogenes) means only of its kind. Therefore Jesus cannot be of the angelic kind or that means the Father also has to be an angelic being!Again with MORE diversions, Keith?  This is the point:Jesus is the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2011,12:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 13 2011,12:41)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2011,11:26)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 13 2011,12:24)Isnt it true that the sons of God (including angels and those who are reconciled) is something entirely different from “the son of God, the Son of Man”Hi DTrue except angels are…[Read more]

Yes Marty, that is correct.The firstborn of all angels = first angel ever created.The firstborn of all dinosaurs = first dinosaur ever created.The firstborn of all human beings = first human ever created.And the first born of all creation = first creature ever created.Do you think we can't see through your pretense Marty?  All of us can see that…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2011,11:41)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2011,12:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 13 2011,12:18)Hi D,Right after you address MY post about death at one time having mastery over God Almighty.mikeSure!The grave could not hold him. Death did not conquer him! The Spirit of Jesus lived because he laid down his life and…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2011,11:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 13 2011,12:18)Hi D,Right after you address MY post about death at one time having mastery over God Almighty.mikeSure!The grave could not hold him. Death did not conquer him! The Spirit of Jesus lived because he laid down his life and had the power to take it again. (John 10:17 -…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2011,10:42)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 13 2011,10:06)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2011,08:56)“To which of the angels did “HE EVER SAY”, 'You are my Son'…?”The scripture doesn't say “To which of the angels did he ever say you are my Begotten son”, does it Mike?Actually it does, Keith.The WHOLE thought is:…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2011,11:26)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 13 2011,12:24)Isnt it true that the sons of God (including angels and those who are reconciled) is something entirely different from “the son of God, the Son of Man”Hi DTrue except angels are never called “sons” neither are they heirs to salvation or heirs of Christ!WJYou…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 13 2011,09:33)Mike,We are to worship Jehovah.  Luke 4:8 does not specify the Father.  Jehovah is both the Father and the Son.Actually, Luke 4:8 doesn't say “YHWH” – it says “Kurios”.  And if you think Jesus was including himself in the “Lord” who alone is to be worshipped and served, then you are simply pretending to ha…[Read more]

Marty,All I've done is to point out to you that 1 Tim could be taken one of TWO different ways. One way is that Jesus is STILL a man in heaven. The other way is that the man who died is now our mediator in heaven. Do you agree that it can be understood EITHER way? If you are to be honest, you have to.Now……………which one of those TWO…[Read more]