Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 22 2011,22:20)Mike,John 6:57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. Add, 'the man from heaven' and you have this:Just as the living Father sent me, the man from heaven, and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 22 2011,22:15)40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in himthe man from heaven, shall have eternal life, and Ithe man from heaven, will raise him up at the last day.”Guess what Kathi?  NEVER does scripture EVER imply, hint at, or say that Jesus ever existed with TWO NATURES.  This is on…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 22 2011,22:27)Jehovah is the God of everything and Jehovah is both the Father and the Son, Mike.Sorry Kathi.  You are correct that Jehovah is the God of EVERYTHING………………..including Jesus.  That is why Jesus, even AFTER being exalted to the highest position there is (NEXT TO God Himself), STILL calls Jehovah “…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 22 2011,22:06)Jesus is our 'Husband' not the Father.  The bridegroom is the Son, the Lord of lords.Can you show me that the Father is the 'bridegroom' Pierre?  If not, then the scripture applies to the Son as Jehovah.Kathi,The word is “ba'al”, which basically means “lord” or “master”.  It is often translated as “h…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 22 2011,21:54)Mike,The Father being the God of gods does not mean that these gods are his children, it means that the Father is the God…of everything!  The Son is the Lord of everything.  Jehovah is both of them…God and Lord.Quote Mike,The Father being the God of gods does not mean that these gods are his children, it m…[Read more]

35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 22 2011,21:15)God in heaven prepared His body within Mary after the Holy Spirit from heaven conceived the body within herWell, unless you know of a scripture that says Mary went up to heaven before the birth of Jesus, then that BODY was prepared, as you said, “within Mary”, who never stepped one foot off of the earth.For…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 22 2011,21:37)The whole being of the Son, according to both natures is now exalted as the Lord of lords and not just the divine nature which always was the Lord of lords.So then the Lord of lords is NOT God. Because God is the ONE who exalted the Lord of lords, right? And it is to the glory of God that all knees will bow…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 22 2011,21:19)Yes, Mike.  God certainly acknowledges satan as the evil one and calls him a god because He knows full well that satan is expecting to be worshiped.  The fact that satan expects to be worshiped does not elude God.  He calls a spade a spade.Okay, so after Satan exalted himself as a god, Jehovah then accepted hi…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 21 2011,22:23)and no im not going to cut any deals, or do anything of the sort.  if you cant answer easy yes or no questions without being a pain than its worthless to have a discussion with you.Its not worth it, I shoulnt have to limit myself nor limit my ability to discuss a topic of my intrest to your standards.    …[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 22 2011,21:04)Mike,Deborah was a judge, not a god.  We are never to bow down to a god Mike.  Scripture is clear on this.2 Kings 17:35 with whom the LORD made a covenant and commanded them, saying, “You shall not fear other gods, nor bow down yourselves to them nor serve them nor sacrifice to them.Kathi9 Therefore God e…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 22 2011,20:59)Mike,If God called satan the god of anything it is simply because satan exalted himself and demands worship.So then God accepted this self-exaltation and started to refer to Satan as the god that he made himself to be?

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 22 2011,20:42)His flesh body was from heaven because His Father prepared a body for Him.Guess again. His body was prepared inside of the womb of Mary……………right here on earth. God did not send a body from heaven that Jesus then climbed into.

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 22 2011,20:42)Mike, I don't know what you mean when you say it seems that His whole being said this.Then go back to my first response to you on this thread, and actually ANSWER the four questions I asked.Then you will know what I mean.

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 22 2011,20:54)Mike,If they are doing obeisence to 'a god' then they are in complete violation of God's word…so your doctrine needs to be adjusted drastically.So if someone did obeisance to Deborah, then they were in violation of some rule?Kathi, they will do obeisance to the SON OF the Most High God. They will do this to…[Read more]

And I'm saying that if the Most High God over heaven and earth called him a god, then who are YOU to add to or take away from what your God said?If God calls him a god, then by God, he IS a god.  End of story.  And end of the fairy tale that Jesus being called a god means anything different than when Satan is called a god.They are BOTH powerful s…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 22 2011,20:26)Your point three is clearly wrong as there is only one God and therefore God has no child of his body.Yet for some reason, Jesus is called the FIRSTBORN of God Himself.  And the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD whom God sent into the world.  And the Son of the Living God.  And the Son of the Most High God.Kerwin, who is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 21 2011,21:54)They will worship Christ…every knee will bow whether it be in heaven or on earth.They will do obeisance to Christ, and worship the same God that Christ himself worships and calls “my God”. (Hint, he says that his God is the same God as our God. That fits right in with us being SONS, not BROTHERS, of God.…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,When Jehovah called Satan the god of Ekron, did He LIE?  Or is it that you can read the Most High God's mind, and know that He meant to say “the FALSE god of Ekron”?When Jehovah said he would render judgment upon the gods of Egypt, did God Almighty LIE when he called them gods?  Or are you again just reading the mind of the God of g…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 22 2011,02:20)Hi Mike,There isn't two Gods mentioned in John 1:1 (Deut.6:4), but two aspects of the one God (YHVH and his HolySpirit). God blessEd JHi Ed,For one to be WITH another, there MUST BE TWO.From the 25 Trinitarian scholars of NETNotes, who want nothing more than for Jesus to BE the God he was with:The construction in…[Read more]