Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 07 2011,10:54)Jehovah in the fullest sense is the unity of the Father and Son and their SpiritEach member of this unity is also called Jehovah, one as the Father and one as the Son.Context will help.Jehovah never changes, Kathi.  He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.  That means that "Jehovah" can't sometimes be j…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 07 2011,18:02)Your doctrine actually states that there are 2 greatests or Almighties, whether you like to admit it or not.She BOLDLY admits it, t8.  That's what makes this thing even more bizarre.  Kathi doesn't even try to hide her TWO Almighty Gods inside a Godhead like the Trinitarians do with their three Gods.Instead, she j…[Read more]

Hi Jack,The JW scholars, who remain anonymous by choice, translated the NWT from many Greek mss.  They did not use just one.  And according to NETNotes:  Χριστόν (Criston, “Christ”) is attested in the majority of mss, including many important witnesses of the Alexandrian (Ì46 1739 1881) and Western (D F G) texttypes, and other mss and version…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Sep. 07 2011,00:05)This is truth:A son of horse is horseA son of  dog is dogA son of  man is manWhat is wrong if according to this truthTHE SON OF GOD IS GOD??Peace and love in Jesus ChristCharlesHi Charles,Pierre started you off on the right track by pointing out that the son of a horse is a DIFFERENT horse.  I wanted to add th…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,I noticed that you twice informed t8 there's nothing that says it couldn't have happened the way you imagine.  Did you forget that there's also nothing that says it DID happen that way?There's nothing in scripture to prevent Jesus from being a unicorn made out of popcorn either.  But I'm not about to start building a doctrine around t…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 06 2011,22:55)Mike,The fact that Jesus was conceived in his mother's womb just as John the Baptist was conceived in his mother's womb according to Luke 1:36.That's right, Kerwin.  And nobody here has ever denied this scriptural fact. Hebrews 2:14Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 06 2011,22:42)My argument is that God is divided because creating a being from God would make two Gods and not one.Then this is simply a misunderstanding on your part, Kerwin.  1 Cor 8:6 plainly tells us that ALL THINGS came FROM God.  And none of those things that came FROM Him are also God, right?God begetting a spirit Son w…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2011,21:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 05 2011,03:01)Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 04 2011,06:47)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 02 2011,12:55)Ed, do you believe that the Lamb of God who was slain is God's Holy Spirit?Hi Mike,Not entirely: At Jesus birth he was 1/2 HolySpirit, and after his baptism he was filled with the HolySpirit. (See John…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2011,21:01)Hi Mike,Do you really think you’re telling me something that I myself have not also considered?Have you not noticed that the kings of the Earth make war against “The Lamb” in Rev.17:14.And “The HolySpirit”(called The Word) makes war against the kings of the Earth in Rev.19:11-21.What I notice in 17 is that the…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2011,22:37)Hi Mike,The glory of the planets are not what we are discussing here.To say that the planets have glory does not apply to our topic one bit.God blessEd JIt does when I'm arguing against someone who thinks God ALONE has glory. Ed, that is simply not what scripture teaches.And for you to blow off my scriptural…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2011,22:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 07 2011,15:13)I want you to CLEARLY ACKNOWLEDGE that the Greek language has a very understandable way of conveying possession, as in “OF God”.  Will you ACKNOWLEDGE this for the record?peace,mikeHi Mike,It is your contention that the word “OF” is the only way the Greek genitive can be…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2011,22:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 07 2011,15:13)Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2011,20:45)1.  The “Glory” is not what is at issue here, but “Who” The Word is.I'm sorry………………where exactly does it say it is the Word's glory in Romans 8:18?  peace,mikeShalom Mike,For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are n…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2011,20:47)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 05 2011,02:54)Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 04 2011,06:46)Hi Mike, The Bible also says that “The Word” of God makes everything as well…Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by The Word of God. (Heb 11:3)All things were made by him(The Word); (John 1:3)So using your logic (quoted in m…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2011,22:06)Hi Mike,I'm not interested in Bill Gates or Microsoft. What does “Through” mean to you?Could you please explain in what capacity Jesus participated if not to be slain?Ed, Jesus was not slain before the world was founded. That is a bad translation of Rev 13:8. First God created all through Jesus, THEN the Lamb was…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2011,22:11)The way I understand the Genitive form of a word in Greek,it can be worded in English all of the following ways…God's SpiritSpirit of GodThe God SpiritThe way I see it: all three of these are applicable, You have provided nothing to indicate anything else.Ed, this is the Greek word “Spirit” and the genitive form…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2011,20:45)1. The “Glory” is not what is at issue here, but “Who” The Word is.I'm sorry………………where exactly does it say it is the Word's glory in Romans 8:18?  2. God has God's glory.  The Word has the Word's glory.  Mike has Mike's glory.  King Solomon had King Solomon's glory.  The sun has the sun's glory.  The…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2011,21:44)Hi Mike,This thread is to show “Who” The Word is, is it not?I have and will continue to provide much evidence to illustrate “The Word” is the “HolySpirit” of God.That's fine. But in the meantime, have we cleared up this “OF God” issue? Will I ever again have to be sidetracked from the issue at hand by your…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2011,20:34)Your view of Jesus helping JEHOVAH with creation impinges on Isaiah 37:16 & 44:24.My view is that Jesus’ crucifixion was the means of his participation in the matter. (John 8:14)My view doesn't have Jesus “helping” the Father at all.  My view has the Father creating everything ALONE, but doing that THROUGH Je…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2011,20:33)Hi Mike,The drill was to prove that the Greek has no word for “OF”,by you agreeing at least one of the two alternatives, proves my point.Sorry Eddy,No dice. The Greek genitive form, the English word “OF”, AND an English word followed by an apostraphe + s all signify “OF”.Greek genitive form of “God” = “OF…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 05 2011,21:17)Mike,If a firstborn is without a beginning, then the firstborn would be eternal. Right? You think that it is impossible for the firstborn of an eternal being to not have been eternally within the eternal being before being begotten, but you have no proof of that.Kathi,The word “born” is the dead giveaway. If…[Read more]