Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 12 2011,14:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 11 2011,14:41)Kathi's version:  Then you will know that I am THE GREAT “I AM”……………………and I do nothing of my own authority.Kathi, by WHOSE authority does the Great “I AM” operate?  The Father's authority as always.So the “Great I Am” isn't quite as in charge of things a…[Read more]

Kathi, how many gods are mentioned in John 1:1?

Kathi,In your translation, Jesus is saying, “Before Abraham was born, JEHOVAH!”.  What does that mean, Kathi?  JEHOVAH did WHAT?  JEHOVAH was WHAT?It's like me saying, “Before my son was born, MIKE!”  It makes no sense at all.  Like I said, there need to be MORE words.  I need to say, “Before my son was born, I WAS Mike” or something like that.…[Read more]

My former understanding is listed on the 2nd page, ninth post of the thread t8 linked. It remains the same today.

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 11 2011,14:34)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 11 2011,14:30)So, then you DO think we have TWO Almighty Gods?  And you DO worship TWO Almighty Gods?Kathi, why hide behind confusing word games?  If you believe in and worship TWO Almighty Gods, then have to GUTS and CONVICTION to just say so boldly and without confusion, o…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 11 2011,14:32)Mike,Satan IS extremely illogical, he is the father of lies.  To speak lies when the ONE who is truth and is your judge can hear you, is extremely illogical.  He exalts himself as a god…that alone tells you how illogical he is.Also, you will have to account for all your careless insults before God's throne o…[Read more]

I can't understand why so many people take a particular translation of Luke 17:21 so literally when there also exist many scriptures that speak of ENTERING the Kingdom of God.Am I to believe that those who ENTER into the Kingdom of God are entering into ME?  David, you seem out numbered here.  But you are making solid, logical and scriptural p…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Sep. 11 2011,15:45)I look forward to your new post.I'm awaiting your first reply, Charles. Please try to keep your posts short and to the point.  Here is the new thread.

Kathi's version: Then you will know that I am THE GREAT “I AM”……………………and I do nothing of my own authority.Kathi, by WHOSE authority does the Great “I AM” operate?

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 11 2011,12:37)Yes to the fact that satan was trying to bride the one who created him.  Well, then I guess I can't go any farther with you in this thread, can I?I you are blinded enough by your own imagined doctrine that you will claim that Satan was trying to bribe his own Creator with the kingdoms that Creator GAVE to him…[Read more]

So, then you DO think we have TWO Almighty Gods? And you DO worship TWO Almighty Gods?Kathi, why hide behind confusing word games? If you believe in and worship TWO Almighty Gods, then have to GUTS and CONVICTION to just say so boldly and without confusion, okay?

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 11 2011,12:51) But a translation of “I will be” does not effectively do much more except restrict it to the future…..“I am” would embrace that as well. The Greek translation of the OT used a participle to capture the idea, and several times in the Gospels Jesus used the powerful “I am” with this significance (e.g., John…[Read more]

John 8:3737 I know you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because you have no room for my word.Uh oh. The Logos of God has his own logos.

It seems that no one is able to show a scripture from the first 8 chapters of John's gospel where Jesus himself claimed to be God, or equal to him. I guess we can now expand the search to the rest of the gospel according to John. I'll start with this scripture:John 14:1“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God ; trust also in me.”The w…[Read more]

Eddy?

Yes Kathi,Just like “elohim” is plural.  It is commonly referred to as a “plural of majesty”.  The Hebrews didn't have a capital letter to distinguish between, say, “Lord” and “lord”.  The way they did it was to pluralize a word that we today would simply capitalize.  Instead of “God”, they would say “gods” as their way of emphasizing that the god…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 05 2011,21:51)Mike,Yes.“Yes” to what, Kathi?

What does that mean, Kathi? Does it mean you have only ONE God, who is made up of TWO persons? Or does it mean you have TWO GODS who are one in purpose?Because in the Freak Greek thread, you clearly said that Jesus was A DIFFERENT GOD who was with “THE God” in the beginning.It seems to me that we both acknowledged that John 1:1 spoke of TWO…[Read more]

Hi Kerwin,Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 10 2011,00:31)I did not state John the Baptist came from above as it can be argued that since he fell short of the glory of God that he did not.   Okay then.  I agree that John the Baptiser did NOT come from above.  John was directed by the WORD OF GOD to go into the wilderness baptizing.  (Luke 3:2)  The word that…[Read more]

Bump for Paul, who is going to show us one scripture at a time that the NWT translated wrong.