Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 16 2011,04:20)Quote 1.  John 3:13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.What does it mean that he ascended except that he first DESCENDED?  Where did Jesus ascend TO?  That is also where he descended FROM.Well that certainly explains Paul's statement That when Christ ascended to h…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 16 2011,03:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2011,09:55)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 15 2011,01:00)So no, Mike, I do not say “I have God's grace and my opponents don't.Good, Paladin.  I didn't really think that's what you meant to say.That's not only not what I meant to say – That's not what I said.Do we REALLY have to do this EVERY…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 15 2011,23:21)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2011,05:02)Kerwin,In what way are the angels “sons of God”?Mike,Why is Satan not reffered to as one of the sons of God when he comes with them to the throne of God in the book of Job?He is.Job 1:6 NET © Now the day came when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 15 2011,20:03)It would also be right to say that the Kingdom was available to the Pharisees if they became born again and hence the kingdom of God was available to them if they were born again meaning that the kingdom was available to them from within if they chose.But Jesus didn't say, “the Kingdom of God COULD SOMEDAY BE WITHIN…[Read more]

Quote (princess @ Sep. 15 2011,19:45)You are going to have to dig alot further then Rome to find why three where chosenYep!

Hebrews 4:12For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any double-edged sword, piercing even to the point of dividing soul from spirit, and joints from marrow; it is able to judge the desires and thoughts of the heart.You cannot divide the soul FROM the spirit unless they are two different things.Do not be afraid of those who kill…[Read more]

Charles? Will you stand and defend your “Proof Texts”?

Kerwin? I've placed you on the Hot Seat so that you can stand and scripturally defend the things you teach. Will you do it?

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 15 2011,19:01)the government is in our hearts ,because that is were God says he will put it ,according to scriptures,What scripture says this, Pierre?

Hey Ed,Perhaps you are finally ready to address the actual point of this thread?John 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.Ed, does the above verse say that all things were made through the Word?  YES or NO?Colossians 113 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 14 2011,22:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 15 2011,11:25)1.  Now…………what do you think about the scriptural FACT that the same words said about Jesus in Psalm 2 are said about the Word of God in Rev 19?  Coincidence?  2.  What about when you add in the scriptural FACT that the beast and the kings of the earth wage war aga…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 14 2011,22:12)Hi Mike,It would mean that the Father's glory was “IN” him.No Ed,It means that the Word had the glory, NOT OF GOD HIMSELF, but as of the only begotten OF God. That's what it says, and that's what it means.

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 14 2011,21:56)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 15 2011,11:14)Do you understand that the scripture is speaking about Jesus being made High Priest, and not about Jesus being made, period?  YES or NO?Hi Mike,Both points are fractally true, his appointment and birth.No, they are not, Ed. That scripture has NOTHING to do with the beginning…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 14 2011,21:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 15 2011,11:06)Yes Ed.  But “God's Spirit” and “Spirit OF God” mean EXACTLY the same thing.What I'm waiting for is your CLEAR acknowledgment that it can't mean “the God Spirit”.Hi Mike,But, it can.Ed,Either show me an instance in scripture where ANY TRANSLATION has “the God Spirit”, or show…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 14 2011,21:42)Neither of those have the definite article,Actually Ed………….καὶ ὁ λόγος μου …………..the bolded “O” above is the definite article “THE”.  The Greek words above say, “AND THE WORD OF ME”.  (Oh, and btw, it doesn't really say “OF ME”.  But instead it is the GENITIVE FORM of the word “ME”, making it me…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 14 2011,21:32)Do you think that the glory anyone possesses comes from somewhere other than God?No Ed, I don't. Any glory that anyone ever had came from the Father putting them in the position to have glory in the first place.Solomon only had glory because the Father placed him in a glorious position.…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 14 2011,21:04)There is only ONE 'Most High God' unity, and ONE 'Most High God, the Father' and ONE 'Most High God, the Son.'No Kathi.Apparently your doctrine has you so blinded that you can't even do simple addition anymore.  If there is "ONE 'Most High God, the Father' and ONE 'Most High God, the Son'", then that adds up…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 14 2011,21:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 14 2011,21:57)Kathi,You are skirting the issue.  Will any of your brothers or sisters at church stand beside you and boldly proclaim that they worship TWO completely separate Gods?When you say separate Gods, you give the wrong impression.  God the Father and God the Son are not God t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 14 2011,21:04)We have been over and over Gen 18. All you can say is the vice regent argument…I have heard it many times…I disagree. Do you have anything besides that?The more accurate question is: Do YOU have anything AT ALL to PROVE the "vice-regent" thing false? I mean, other than your personal WISHES?

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 14 2011,21:51)John 8:28 does not have a direct object after it and that causes it to stand out and be used differently than normal which is when a direct object is expected.Kathi,Why not DIRECTLY address the points in my post at the top of this page and end this charade?