Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 18 2011,07:31)As for Jesus “coming down from heaven,” it is the same way the baptism of John was “from heaven.” It was by the authority of God in heaven.And you know this as a fact………….HOW?I'm not one of these people trying to make something out of nothing in a scripture.  So when I read about Jesus HIMSELF saying “I…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 18 2011,06:33)When I quote John 1:1 telling us “the logos was God;” then offer another verse that tells us “the spirit, which is the reema of God,” and then give you my conclusion that the logos was God and the reema is the Holy Spirit, what is your complaint about my “not real” evidence?Well,John 1:1 doesn't say the logos…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2011,21:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 18 2011,13:06)Ed,Why do you think John would have described what was really God's glory as the glory, not of God, but of the only begotten OF Him?Hi Mike,Thank you; I enjoy discoursing with you too!Good.  Now answer the question, please.  

Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 18 2011,07:31)Mike;Have you never seen new trees coming up from the root of a tree already  growing? most of the time they are considered “suckers” and are pruned from the tree.A root grows a tree, and new roots. It is the perfect example for the relation between the Christ David, and the Christ Jesus. Both were the…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2011,21:01)Is there any possibility you could be wrong; yes or no?YES!Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2011,21:01)Are you certain that will you be able to prove to someone that you were right and they were wrong; yes or no?NO!Are you beginning to see how easy this is, Ed?

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2011,20:40)1) If someone answers a question of yours, that you say is a yes or no question, and uses other words instead of yes or no is their view wrong; yes or no?NO!  Their view is not necessarily wrong, but there is no reason they couldn't have done what I just did – FIRST say "YES" or "NO", and then explain any m…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Sep. 16 2011,00:31)My intentions are that we should have a smooth thread.Agreed.  I like one question/point/scripture at a time. Quote (carmel @ Sep. 16 2011,00:31)I felt that it would be more appropriate in this thread to choose one particular version in order to eliminate the hustle of checking which bible is being used.But…[Read more]

Now that's what I'm talking about Ed!  Someone finally putting their money where their mouth is!  Good for you! In beginning, the logos was.  And the logos was with THE theos, and the logos was theos.That's how the Greek of John 1:1 breaks down, which leaves two points for you to ponder:1.  The word “WITH” in this sentence makes it very clear tha…[Read more]

Ed,Thank you!  That is the most brilliantly answered post you've ever produced IMO!  YES and NO is the best and most sure way to get to the bottom of what the other person believes.  I don't know why some people have a problem with it.For example, when I stated:  “So, now we have the Word, which IS the Spirit, which IS God Himself, becoming fle…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2011,14:07)The intent of this thread was and is to…1. Explain why certain questions cannot be yes or no.Then DO IT already!  Post one of the YES or NO questions I've asked you that can't possibly be answered with a YES or a NO.We're all…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2011,17:39)Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I (from Heaven) unto this hourSo then you DO agree that the PERSON Jesus came down from heaven?

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2011,17:39)Hi Mike,AKJV Bible (1Corinthians 8:6) works for me. All things means all things; we agree on this point.Good Ed. And it is the SAME EXACT “all things” that came FROM the Father that also came THROUGH Jesus. So if the earth is one of the “all things” that came FROM the Father, then the earth is also one of the…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2011,12:28)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 18 2011,05:18)Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2011,06:48)1) what you posted is corrupt text; THROUGH is not in John 1:3.Hi Ed,Would you be so kind as to show me your PROOF of this?Thanks.Hi Mike,John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.God blessEd J…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 17 2011,15:17)If you are ready to debate the old testament issues I raised way back in page 96 post #5 I will then consider debating new testament issues depending on how you react to the first debate.I am willing for you to post the OT scriptures or teachings ONE AT A TIME that you think prohibit Jesus from pre-existing his…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2011,17:43)Yes, there are many verses that show “The Word” of God is God's HolySpirit!Hi Ed, You think the Word is God's Holy Spirit, which, according to you, is not really “the Spirit OF God”, but “the God Spirit”.  Therefore, you think that God Himself, as the “God Spirit who was the Word”, became flesh and had the glory…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2011,17:32) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Very good Kerwin.  Now, what scripture is it that forbids Jesus from being the first of these sons of God? Quote Acts 13 King James Version (KJV)22And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave their testimony, and said, I have found David…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 16 2011,07:53)Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2011,23:48)Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by “The Word” of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear(Like Jesus). (Hebrews 11:3)All things were made by him(“The Word”); and without him was not any thing made that was made.…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2011,07:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2011,12:33)Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 14 2011,22:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 15 2011,11:25)1.  Now…………what do you think about the scriptural FACT that the same words said about Jesus in Psalm 2 are said about the Word of God in Rev 19?  Coincidence?  2.  What about when you add in the…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2011,06:48)1) what you posted is corrupt text; THROUGH is not in John 1:3.Hi Ed,Would you be so kind as to show me your PROOF of this?Thanks.

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 16 2011,10:12)Only one of those who were/are named Jesus/Yehshua was given their name by God the Father and only one of them is our righteousness, Mike.  Don't make light of that fact.Yes Kathi,Out of all of the Jesuses in the world, Jesus the Christ of God was the greatest and most important.  How does an intelligent p…[Read more]