Adam:  I think your question is not relevant to the point I raised.

It’s very relevant.  You reject the idea that the prophesied messiah could have pre-existed as a spirit entity.  You opine that God would not send a savior that was non-human and alien to us.

I’m simply questioning your reasoning on this matter, since God Himself is non-human an…[Read more]

Adam:  I am not disputing his existence as a Jewish man.

Great!  We’re making progress.  We both agree that Jesus from Nazareth existed.

Adam:  Performing signs and wonders nothing new to Hebrew scriptures when we take the examples of Moses, Elijah, Elisha and other men of God.

It sounds like we agree (at least to the possibility) that God did mir…[Read more]

LU:  You believe that the Eternal One was not always a father, right?

Right.

Psalm 2:7

NET… The king says, “I will announce the Lord’s decree. He said to me: ‘You are my son! This very day I have become your father!'”

NIV…  I will proclaim the decree of the LORD: He said to me, “You are my Son; today I have become your Fat…[Read more]

Miia:  People try to make things far too complicated. 

Agreed.  There is one Most High God named Yahweh, who has a son named Jesus.  There is God, and there is His firstborn son. His firstborn son tells us that his God is also our God.

Not complicated at all.

Carmel: LUCIFER THE LIGHT BRINGER!
THE BEGINNING!
HIDDEN IN LUCIFER’S HEART 

THE FIRST-EVER DIVINE CREATURE HEART! 
MALE AND FEMALE ANDROGYNOUS!

Here is who Carmel is describing…

I fear Satan has taken control of Carmel.

LU:  In your opinion, what would be the difference between a created son of God and an uncreated son of God?

Right off the bat…

1.  The former is scriptural for all sons of God, while the latter is not.

2.  The former is logical, since no son exists until he is brought into existence by his father (who always, in every circumstance, exis…[Read more]

Danny: If Christ is the only begotten of the Father, then we cannot be begotten of the Father in a literal sense. It can only be in a secondary sense of the word.

But how do you know that Jesus being “begotten” of God isn’t also in a secondary sense of the word?  What in scripture tells you that the Greek word “gennao” refers to a literal “…[Read more]

Adam:  Christianity created myths on Messiah and made him non-human and alien to us.

Do you also consider God to be “alien to us” because He is also “non-human”?

Proclaimer: I’ve rebuilt this topic and merged some smaller old topics that were on the same subject. Not sure if this will resolve the “from jammin” problem.

I still get the “from jammin” notifications, but it’s not a problem.  I was just trying to find out if Adam or Carmel WERE jammin, posting under new names.  It wasn’t that big of a deal ei…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

Do you hear that, Gene and Carmel?  The last Adam (ie: Jesus) became a spirit.  He is not a man in heaven, guys.  He is a spirit now, as are all of those who dwell in heaven.  Flesh cannot see, enter, or inherit the spiritual kingdom…[Read more]

Mike:  In which scripture(s) can I read about “glorified spiritual flesh”?  

Carmel: YOU ARE STILL LIVING ON MILK!

Jesus Christ GODMAN!

Etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah for enough words to make a novel.  🙄

Carmel, try talking less and saying more, okay?  I await your scripture(s) in which I can read about “glorified spiritual flesh” – because y…[Read more]

sonofGod:  Who? how about “what is the word”?

The word, or logos is defined by a message not emphasizing the actual words or means used to communicate the message but the intent of the message sender.   Another Greek word, rhema, emphasizes the actual words used to communicate the message.  Both are important.

Logos is the message, the intende…

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Berean:  ...the time will come when you will realize that JESUS IS OTHER THAN YOU THINK
TRY TO TELL HIM IN FACE: JESUS YOU DID NOTHING CREATED…

Point taken.  I always try to say that the scriptures don’t say that Jesus created anything at all – unless you count the whip he fashioned from cords.  I try to word it that way because we don’t know ex…[Read more]

Adam:  It’s good that you dropped the idea of ‘billions becoming Christians’.

It’s not “dropped”.  I said let’s just forget about that part for now.  I’ll come back to it later.  I just wanted to remove it for now because it was giving you an escape from directly addressing the questions I asked.

Admin:  Overall, the older topics work, so I won’t try and find a fix. But I will try cloning the topic and I will test it to see if that fixes the notifications.

I still get the same notifications, but now the pages have 10 posts instead of 15, and so there are a lot more pages to this thread than before.  Neither of these things need to be add…[Read more]

Adam: I always wonder what is this “God created all things though him”?

Me too.  What exactly does it mean that God created all things through Jesus?  We’re not given any specifics, so we’re left with the knowledge that God is the one who created, and He did that through Jesus somehow.  The bottom line is that God, not Jesus, is our Creator.

Adam:  Yes but the actual reason is whenever someone clicks the reply to your post you will get notification.

Ahh… now that makes perfect sense.  I don’t ever click the “Reply” button.  I just copy and paste the other person’s comments into my post.  So apparently the notification only happens when people do click the “Reply” button.

Thanks Ada…[Read more]

Mike:  Did John make up a fictional character who did miracles?  Or was this “Jesus” in John’s writings a real person that John knew?

Adam: Sorry I am not going for your tricky questions.

Nothing tricky about it, Adam.  Jesus is included in secular historical accounts, therefore he definitely existed.  Christians believe that he existed as…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Vaccines are proven to work.

Vaccines are a hoax.  Have been from the outset.  Do more research.  The idea of a “virus” is also a hoax.  Nobody has ever isolated a “virus” – despite one scientist having a long standing million dollar reward to anyone who can.

Proclaimer:  The idea with a vaccine is to get the same immune system react…

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Proclaimer:  Jammin started this thread. So it sort of belongs to him / her.

This is what I see whenever Carmel or Adam post…

To me that says the reply on Thread X is from jammin – not that the thread itself is from jammin.

And it’s weird that I don’t get that notification when you, LU, Gene, Danny, or anyone else posts here.  Only if Adam o…[Read more]