Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 25 2011,11:37)Mike,This post looks to me like we are both spinning our wheels uselessly.  I am going to take a hiatus for a while.  If God chooses he will bring up these things at a later time after he has taught us each more.Ok Kerwin.  I don't like it when the posts get so long it takes me over an hour to answer them.  T…[Read more]

No Ed, it doesn't.

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 25 2011,11:53)Mike,Quote Kathi, is your last “Theos” meant to be plural?  Because you are saying that “both the Father and the Son are 'MY' GODS, right?It is correct either way……So for YOU, “it is correct” to say “both the Father and the Son are 'MY' GODS”?

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 25 2011,11:50)Mike,Quote Nor did Jesus. (Acts 4)Did the Son of David exist in the beginning with God?Did the Son of God exist in the beginning with God?1.  The prayer in Acts 4 was made AFTER Jesus had been exalted to the right hand of his God.  AFTER he had be GIVEN all authourity by his God.  THIS is the Jesus that Pe…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 25 2011,11:49)Mike,Quote And “begotten” means “brought into existence by a father”, Kathi.  So while I agree that Jesus is the highest of the “many gods and many lords” in existence (NEXT TO the Father, of course), “begotten” is a BIG distinction BETWEEN him and our only UNBEGOTTEN God, the Father.Can 'begotten' mean to…[Read more]

No Ed. I believe what the scriptures actually say: The Lamb/Word of God and his followers do battle against the beast, the kings of the earth, and their followers.I see NOTHING about God's Holy Spirit doing battle against ANYONE.

Well, if God sent one of His angels to me with the words of God Himself, then I would trust in that god also.

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2011,21:11)Of course all other 'theos' were not begotten that wayAnd “begotten” means “brought into existence by a father”, Kathi.  So while I agree that Jesus is the highest of the “many gods and many lords” in existence (NEXT TO the Father, of course), “begotten” is a BIG distinction BETWEEN him and our only…[Read more]

But the son of David who had a three year ministry on earth IS the Son of God who existed alongside God with glory of his own before the earth was even created. It is that ONE person who said “I live because of the Father”.

I believe in the existence of “many gods and many lords, in heaven and on earth”.

Hi Kathi,YES to all.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 25 2011,09:15)Mike……….According to the event at the time it appears he really did ascend with his body,John 13:3Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he had come from God and was going to God.Gene, you agree that the BEING of Jesus literally went TO God after the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2011,22:43)Mike,Quote Concerning the compound unity:  Israel is a nation.  It is not a PERSON.  The church is a conglomeration of multiple people, not a PERSON.  I consider God to be a PERSON, not a “government” made up of many.  To you, is “God” a PERSON, or a conglomeration?  Again,God can be what the unity is calle…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2011,22:39)Well, as I have told you before, and more than once…Jehovah can be the name of the unity of two persons who are both a God,Then that is really the bottom line of your doctrine, and all I needed to know. You believe that Jehovah is the unity of TWO completely separate and individual Gods.Yet for US, there is…[Read more]

Ed,27 Now YOU are Christ’s body, and members individually. 28 And God has set the respective ones in the congregation, first, apostles; second, prophets; third, teachers; then powerful works; then gifts of healings; helpful services, abilities to direct, different tongues.Translation: You are all individually members of Christ's body, which is…[Read more]

Ed, if the Holy Spirit granted you the gift of tongues, then RESPECTIVELY to all the others, YOU have been granted the gift of tongues.If the Holy Spirit granted me the gift of healing, then RESPECTIVELY to all the others, I have been granted the gift of healing.The word RESPECTIVELY does not mean that ALL members of the church were granted the…[Read more]

Let me get this straight Ed.  You think I'M at fault because I was persistent for two years and FINALLY got Keith to ADMIT what was the truth of the scriptures all along?  Yes, Keith believes Jesus IS God Almighty.  And Keith used to use any scripture that merely referenced Jesus as "god" as PROOF for his claim.  But you and I know that just bei…[Read more]

I would like to remind Kathi of the words of her brother Keith:“Isn't that what Francis, D, and Jack and I have been saying………….Everyone not just I are saying that just because Jesus is called God does not mean he is God.” Kathi, that is also what t8 is trying to tell you.  Being called by the title “theos” does not mean you are THE Theos.

Gene,In what way did Jesus “go to God”? Did the literal PERSON Jesus Christ literally and physically “go TO God” when he ascended to heaven?

Agreement is a good thing, Kerwin. Now if we could just get Paladin on board……………..