Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2011,20:43)I'm done with this thread.Of course you are! Okay All, Keith had no luck finding a scripture where Jesus himself claimed to be God Almighty. Nor did Kathi. Jack didn't bother trying because he knows there aren't any. Same with Paul.This thread has served its purpose magnificently!

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2011,21:07)Mike,Did your son become a son only after child birth?Kathi, at whatever stage in my son's development you want to say he became my son, that is the same time that he was begotten by me.  And before he was my son, he did not exist.  No son has always been, Kathi.  Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2011,21:07)He wa…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2011,22:10)Heb 18But of the Son He says,         “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER,         AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.9“YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS;         THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU         WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS.”[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2011,21:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2011,18:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 25 2011,11:53)Mike,Quote Kathi, is your last “Theos” meant to be plural?  Because you are saying that “both the Father and the Son are 'MY' GODS, right?It is correct either way……So for YOU, “it is correct” to say “both the Father and the Son…[Read more]

Hi Kerwin,You said to me:Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 29 2011,06:56)It would not be an internally consistent teaching as Paul is teaching about righteousness and not about the creative aspect of God.But then you said to Gene:Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 29 2011,09:44)In a general sense Paul was teaching of the new creation in 1 Corinthians 8What gives?I have…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2011,20:48)Jehovah our God is the unity of the God of gods (Jehovah,the Father) and the Lord of lords (Jehovah,the Son). Deut 10:17Kathi, The above is your signature.  You have stated that Deut 10:17 refers to TWO Gods – the God of gods and the Lord of lords.  You have stated that TOGETHER, THEY make up J…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 29 2011,08:26)kerwinin 1Cor 8;6does Paul express himself to the things of food and other needs ?or ALL THINGS ? this would mean ALL INCLUSIVE ,RIGHT ?THINGS WE RECEIVE (CAME ) FROM GOD,AND IT IS FOR GOD WE LIVE ,RIGHT ?YESTHEN HE GOES ON “BUT THERE IS ONE LORD ,JESUS CHRIST THROUGH WHOM ALL THINGS CAME AND THROUGH WHOM WE…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 29 2011,13:15)Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 29 2011,16:51)Hi Irene,But they rebelled, and vexed his “HolySpirit”: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. (Isaiah 63:10)Ed, this Scriptures talks about Gods Holy Spirit……Irene, Ed has a brain block somewhere.  He can't seem to understand that if the words…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Sep. 29 2011,14:29)Jesus is “Son” in the Hebrew sense of the name. The fully investitured “Son” in the Hebrew culture was equal to his father.And we know that “the Father” is our ONE and ONLY true God, right? So the fact that you say Jesus is EQUAL TO God automatically makes Jesus someone OTHER THAN God.Can't you see this?

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Sep. 29 2011,14:29)Jesus is not Lord under the Father. That's Paul's whole point.Of course he is, Jack.  Who is it that MADE Jesus both Lord and Christ?  (Acts 2:36, Romans 14:9)  Who PLACED him on Zion as King?  (Psalm 2:6)  Who EXALTED Jesus to the high position he now has?  (Acts 2:33, 5:31, Phil 2:9)Quote (Kangaroo Jack…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Sep. 29 2011,08:50)The terms “God” and “Lord” are equivalent because Paul was denouncing the pagan hierarchies.Then why have all things come FROM only one of them, Jack?  Can you show a scripture that says all things came FROM Jesus?  If what you say is true, then Paul would have said, “…..one God, the Father, FROM w…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2011,20:48)Maybe you all would have had a laugh at Thomas in the upper room and would have told him that He has a problem with scripture itself.John 20:2828Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet b…[Read more]

I'm not asking what YOU think it means. I'm asking if there is any scriptural or logical reason that it CAN'T mean exactly what it says – “ALL THINGS”?

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2011,19:26)I have shown you that He is called Lord and God,Actually, he is called “kurios” and “theos”, not Lord and God with capped letters.  That is of men, not scripture.Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2011,19:26)and the only begotten God,The fact he is begotten at all proves he is not our only true God.Quote (Lightenup @…[Read more]

Hi Kerwin,I believe that the phrase “ALL THINGS” has the default meaning of ALL THINGS.  I agree with you that context and/or logic COULD narrow the scope of the phrase to include only certain things.  But I don't see any context in John 1:3, Col 1:16, or 1 Cor 8:6 that would make it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR to anyone that the phrase has a more narrow s…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,If you cannot produce a scripture that says Jesus had all things before the Father gave them to him, then this scripture is also not proof of Jesus claiming to be God Almighty.  Besides, we know that the Father is the only true God, and for us, the ONLY God.  (John 17:3, 1 Cor 8:6)So if Jesus says that all things THE FATHER has are also h…[Read more]

Thanks for this, t8.  I can't seem to locate the online translator they speak about though.But can you imaging that this scroll could have been one of the ones Jesus himself read from in a synagogue. The hands that took the nails for us could have touched this paper. Wow!

Ed, is the food and drink OF Pierre actually Pierre himself? Ed needs to learn that the word “OF” indicates a POSSESSION. The Holy Spirit OF God is a POSSESSION OF God.

Okay, my friend.