Kathi,You have to realize that if “the Word of God” created the heavens and the earth, then “God Himself” did not. There is no way to make a combo of “God” AND “The Word of God” by comparing the scriptures with the Targum. They both speak of the ONE who created, right? So if it was the Word of God who ALONE stretched out the heavens, then God…[Read more]

How is that, Kathi?

Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 03 2011,21:23)Quote John 5:37 was the scripture I was referencing earlier.  But Jesus isn't saying that NO MAN has ever heard God's voice, only that those he was currently speaking to had not.John 5:37 does say nobody has heard God….then that Scripture does not line up with other Scriptures in the Old Test.   I really b…[Read more]

Irene,Ex 19:9The LORD said to Moses, “I am going to come to you in a dense cloud, so that the people will hear me speaking with you and will always put their trust in you.” 20:18 When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, they trembled with fear. They stayed at a distance 19 and said to Mos…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 03 2011,21:15)The OT Jews replaced the word “God” with the “Word of God” and that “Word of God” did things as if the “Word of God” were a person who was the spokesperson part of God.  This does go along with what I have been saying about the two acting interdependently with each other as one unity.  No Kathi,If the Targum h…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 03 2011,21:05)Mike and Kathi!  Just this morning I came across some Scriptures of who has seen God…Jhn 5:37   And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.  Jhn 6:46   Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he…[Read more]

While the Word OF God was creating man, what was God Himself doing?Kathi, this is not helping your point. You want to say that the Word OF God and God are the same “Jehovah”. But Gen 1:27 either says “God created man” (scriptural), or it says “The Word of God created man” (secular).But either way, it does not say that God AND the Word of God…[Read more]

Btw Charles,I do see all the scriptures and points you've been posting, such as: “Who is equal to God, but God!”  And they are all just as easily refuted as this one:  For someone to be EQUAL TO another, that someone cannot possibly BE that other.So don't think I'm ignoring your points.  It's just that I won't refute 40 scriptures in one post.  I…[Read more]

So, is that a YES or a NO, Charles?  Do you have any scriptural proof that would convince us that the Son OF God having power makes him the God he is the Son OF?I vote “NO”.  Because simply having power, (especially when we know that power was GIVEN BY God), does not make someone God Himself.Your second point was:Who is omniscient (all knowing)? 1…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 03 2011,19:51)since they knew that no man has seen God or heard His voice.I'm aware that no man has ever SEEN God. But I'm not aware of any scripture that says no man has ever HEARD God.I know Jesus says something like “YOU have never heard His voice” when speaking to the Pharisees. But we know from Exodus that the whole…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 03 2011,19:53)Note that here Abraham prays “in the name of the Word of YHWH” to the YHWH who “cannot be seen.” Here two YHWH’s are very apparent. Abraham is praying in the name of the Word of YHWH but is praying to the YHWH who cannot be seen.How would “the Word OF YHWH” be a DIFFERENT YHWH?  I don't see “the Word of YH…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 03 2011,18:51)in my book you are preaching the true word of God or none ,I CAN NOT TAKE LESS THAN THE TRUE WORDS OF MY GOD,so my search is to be more with truth not less.I feel the same. So let's keep our focus on defending the true words of God then, and leave the judgment of God's other children to the one He entrusted…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 03 2011,18:24)Is “aeons” “singular” or “plural”?  Does it make a difference?It is plural in Hebrews 1:2.  It refers to MORE THAN ONE AGE that was created through God's Son.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 03 2011,08:50)Irene……….Get it God and his words are one and the SAME, Yes Just as your words are with You so GOD'S words are with him and Yes even in the “BEGINNING was those words of His with Him Just as your words are with YOU there is no difference GOD'S word are with him also.Gene, ANYTHING that can be said to…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 03 2011,07:43)To All!  However in John 1:1 The Word of God is not just the word of God, it is the only begotten of the Father…And who is the only begotten of the Father? It is not Gods Holy Spirit, but Jesus Christ our Lord and King…..no other being fits that descrip0tion… when are YOU all going to learn  that….Hi I…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 03 2011,12:50)Witness number 1: The watchtower society's publication.Witness number 2: The change in the JW's bible, the N.W.T.Witness number 3: Will be David's future refusal to deny this.1. What publication? I have yet to see one where the JWs claimed to be the ONLY ones to gain salvation.2. What change? Did they render…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 03 2011,09:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 02 2011,05:23)Okay Ed, CONFIRM FOR ME THAT IT IS THE JW OFFICIAL STANCE THAT ONLY JWs WILL GAIN EVERLASTING LIFE.mikeHi Mike,Is this what you are asking for?…John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Changed…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 03 2011,09:33)Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 03 2011,14:34)Mikewhat is a non Christian ? to the JW it is any one that is not WJ;Hi Pierre,I have asked David that very question.God blessEd JI'M not a JW, but my mom, who is, considers ME a Christian.  Someone has been feeding you guys faulty information it seems.

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 03 2011,09:29)Hi Mike,I will wait until another N.W.T verse comes up, until then I will pause.Fair enough Ed. But DURING the pause, since you haven't been able to produce even ONE scripture the NWT “BLATANTLY CORRUPTED”, I will suggest you keep any comments about “NWT Corruption” to yourself.

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 03 2011,09:16)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2011,04:35)Ed,(1)You keep telling me the question you ASKED David, as if you asking the question is the equivalent of him answering “YES!” to it.  WHAT did David ANSWER to your question?  Did he answer “YES” or “NO”?(2)And are EITHER OF YOU TWO able to actually produce JW literature in w…[Read more]