Carmel:  Thus Jesus is both created and not created!

the fact that all is created by him, in him, and for him!

Carmel, these are excerpts from the prayer of the Apostles in Acts 4…

When the believers heard this, they lifted up their voices to God with one accord. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “You made the heaven and the earth and the sea an…[Read more]

LU: Hi Mike,

The statement “today I have begotten you”… was said on the resurrection day. Jesus was begotten from the dead and thus firstborn from the dead.

Show me in scripture that this is when the statement was actually made.

LU:  Clearly though, the Father was Jesus’ father before the resurrection day.

Correct – which argues against your un…[Read more]

Mike:  Gene, why can’t you understand that passage as it is written – without adding your own twists into it?

Gene:  Mike…..All things came from heaven, that exists on this earth even us. 

This is one of those twists I was talking about, Gene.  Can you show me from scripture that all things come from heaven, including us?

Gene:  Jesus said even…

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Berean: And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.    

Jesus is not among the creatures who give glory to God and to the…

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Adam:  And there is no proof that God created these gods (or angels) which you claim as immortals.

Adam, you didn’t actually SAY anything in that post.  You quoted some source that opines that Yahweh is talking to human rulers in Psalm 82.  That’s utterly nonsensical, and we can delve deeper into that if you’d like.

For now, the answer to the ab…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike……….Jesus was not telling them they were Gods ,   He meant that in a “possessive” sense.

Are you talking about Psalm 82?  If so, that was Yahweh (not Jesus) assembling with a bunch of other gods (as He did in Job 1:6) and passing judgement of some of those gods for not attending to mankind the way He told them to.

Adam:  Again you are struck at Jesus’ miracles to prove him as Jewish Messiah. I have already stated in my post that miracles and healings can not make anyone King Messiah. I do not make anyone a liar as you are so much interested in that word.

There are only 3 possibilities, Adam…

1.  Jesus was indeed the prophesied Messiah, and God did mir…[Read more]

Adam:  We can only speak of God metaphorically, as for example, “mouth of God” (2 Chronicles 35:22), “the eye of the Lord” (Psalms 33:18), “the ears of God” (2 Samuel 22:7), and the like. It is in a similar metaphorical sense that the verse speaks of the son of God…

The first argument that your source makes is that it is a metaphorical…[Read more]

LU:  Mike, did you realize that the day that was said is told us in the NT? Do you know when?

I realize that the statement is repeated in the NT after Jesus’ baptism.  But I’m not aware of the NT telling us when the statement was originally uttered.

Mike:  Acts 2:22… Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.

And in the verse I quoted, you have the direct answer to one of the questions I’ve been asking you for a month. The answer is YES, God is the one…

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Mike: But while I have you here, notice that the scripture you posted clearly identifies “the man who gave himself as a ransom” as someone OTHER THAN “God”. 

Carmel: YES DEFINITELY!!! 

So you agree that Jesus is someone OTHER THAN God?  Great.

Carmel: Mike I left it for you SO YOU COMMIT YOURSELF AND DECLARE  THAT JESUS IS  RIGHT NOW, BETWEEN GOD and MEN!

Yes… Jesus is the mediator BETWEEN God and mankind.

Carmel:  THUS YOU SIMPLY ARE DECLARING THAT JESUS IS SOMEONE UNIQUE WHO IS GOD FROM ONE SIDE, and, MAN FROM THE OTHER SIDE…

Actually, I’m declaring that Jesus is neither “Go…[Read more]

Carmel:  Lucifer was the first creature ever created in the image of God…

Jesus was the first creature ever created in the image of God.

Prov 8:22…  Yahweh created me as the first of His works…

Micah 5:2… His origin is from days of old, ancient times…

Col 1:15…  He is the firstborn of every creature…

Rev 3:14… I am the be…[Read more]

Gene:  No where does say , by a being “morphed” into a human body was our sins atoned for.

Gene, you’ve been shown here a thousand times that this statement is 100% inaccurate.  We all understand that you don’t want to accept everything the scriptures teach about Jesus – but your claim that the scriptures don’t teach those things is blata…[Read more]

Berean: Mike

You don’t understand that Paul
means that Christ by his divine power sustains all things in the universe. It is he who governs the laws of the universe created by his hand
“and upholding all things BY the word of HIS power,” (Hebrews 1: 3)

Maybe I don’t “understand” it because the scriptural words don’t actually say what you say……[Read more]

Adam: Yes there is no requirement for such non-human Messiah as per the Hebrew Bible.

Then you will refrain from using the “non-human alien” argument in the future, correct?  Good.  One less thing to deal with.

Adam:  God is not a human as per the Hebrew Bible and an immortal can not become a mortal.

This is from the OT…

Psalm 82:1, 6-7…  God…[Read more]

Adam:  Performing miracles and healing will not make any one as Messiah who will be a warrior King as promised.

Let me ask again…  Since Jesus is recorded as SAYING he is the Messiah prophesied about in the OT, and since Jesus was a man through whom God did miracles and healings, then we either have a case of God performing miracles through a L…[Read more]

Miia: Hi Mike!  Good points…  I follow this almost obsessively daily.

Prayer and peace is good.

This has become a very enlightening thread.  You and I see it the same way for the most part (“The Greek word for sorcery is pharmakeia…”, “graphene oxide”, etc.).

Very evil people are clearly in the process of a very evil scheme, and it pains me…[Read more]

Carmel: 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus: 

THE ABOVE Mr. Mike is the clearest evidence that 

JESUS POSSESSES
A SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY!

Then your evidence is not clear at all – especially if you would have quoted the rest of the statement.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God…[Read more]

Berean:  You have to be God to:
…. uphold all things by the word of his power, (power of Christ)
or in Colossians 1:17
…. and by him all things consist …

Why?  Proclaimer already addressed this issue with scripture, Berean.  Pharaoh put Joseph in charge of the ENTIRE kingdom of Egypt.  At his very word, men could be killed or saved.  At his very…[Read more]