Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 07 2011,20:18)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 08 2011,10:44)So then God the Father is also the “firstborn of all creation”?Also exactly. Can you find any support to your claim that God Himself was the “firstBORN” of anything?

Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 07 2011,20:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 08 2011,11:41)But what did you think about this one?Acts 2:22“Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.I await your response, Mark.Because  God was in…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 07 2011,20:08)Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 08 2011,12:31)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 08 2011,11:36)Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 07 2011,17:41)By the way, totally God and totally human. That is why his sacrifice saves me. Nothing else could. sacrifice Muhammed, Budda, Mikeboll, non-sinning you (as you claim), me, cows goats lambs etc.…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Oct. 08 2011,09:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 08 2011,11:50)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 07 2011,17:12)The bottom line is that there are ages to come even after Paul wrote his letter to the out-called in Ephesus.But again you have to deal with the aorist tense in Hebrews 1:2, which generally acts as an Enlish past tense.So 1:2 is…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 08 2011,08:14)Mike……..Well now that you have admitted the FATHER was (IN) Jesus , lets proceed to the next two questions…………..Yes Gene, let's do.  We can start with the two points from page 289 that you ignored:1.  Scripture doesn't say “the Word came to be IN someone who was flesh”.  It says “the Word BE…[Read more]

Kerwin,Now we just need to locate a tool like that for the Hebrew part of the scriptures. Let us know if you find one. Until then, we can rely on Kathi, who bought a program for this purpose.

Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 08 2011,06:12)Jhn 5:37   And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.  Jhn 5:38   And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.Hi Irene,If verse 37 means NO ONE HAS EVER heard God's voice, then ve…[Read more]

Hey guys,Until an official statement is found, let's get this thread back on topic.I'm wanting to see a scripture that the NWT “BLATANTLY CORRUPTED”.peace,mike

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Oct. 07 2011,14:43)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 07 2011,13:24)Wow Jack!  I see a whole lot of HATE from you.Don't confuse criticism with hate.Fair enough, Paul.

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Oct. 07 2011,02:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 07 2011,13:24)Wow Jack!  I see a whole lot of HATE from you.  And a whole lot of press from NON- JW's.  But still no OFFICIAL statement from THEM that they are the only ones to be saved.Pick ANY group of people in the world, and you'll find millions of nay-sayers.  Is any…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 06 2011,23:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 07 2011,21:02)Well then translate it from French for me, Pierre.What EXACT words in that book say “No one can be saved UNLESS they belong to our organization.”Are there words to that effect?  If so, what EXACTLY are the words they wrote?peace,mikeMikeok .I will try.but this first…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 07 2011,17:12)It is my understanding that the plural aions in Ephesians 2:7 is referring to the same time period as the singular aion in both Ephesians 1:21 and Hebrews 6:5. Do you perceive it differently?Those scripture talk about the current age, and an age that is yet to come. Past tense words are not generally used in…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 07 2011,17:12)The bottom line is that there are ages to come even after Paul wrote his letter to the out-called in Ephesus.But again you have to deal with the aorist tense in Hebrews 1:2, which generally acts as an Enlish past tense.So 1:2 is saying that God DID (past tense) make the ages through Jesus. 1:2 does not say that…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 07 2011,17:43)John 14:11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.-MoleBollExactly. Nice scripture. Thanks-Love, MarkThank you.  I like that one too.But what did you think about this one?Acts 2:22“Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 07 2011,17:41)By the way, totally God and totally human. That is why his sacrifice saves me. Nothing else could. sacrifice Muhammed, Budda, Mikeboll, non-sinning you (as you claim), me, cows goats lambs etc. etc. They could not suffice. God come in the flesh could and did. Thanks God!John 3:16For God so loved the world that…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Oct. 07 2011,09:13)What Jesus was referring to in this scripture. John 16 15 All things whatsoever the Father hath, are mine. Therefore I said, that he shall receive of mine, and shew it to you.  To this, of course:John 3:35The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands.The Father – who IS God, GAVE things to His…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 07 2011,06:34)Also I found searching this that it is also prophesied in earlier Scripture about the Almighty, showing they are one.Isaiah 41:4 Who has done this and carried it through, calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, the LORD–with the first of them and with the last–I am…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 07 2011,06:27)Jesus is never called the “Alpha and Omega”.  That is said only about Jesus' own God.-MIkebollHow can you say this? I don't understand you typing this as much as you read the Bible. He calls himself this several times.——————————————————————————–Revelation…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 07 2011,06:14)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 07 2011,12:09)Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 05 2011,20:46)He said,”When you see me you see the Father”. Straightforward.And I asked you before, Do you think Jesus IS the Father?He is both God and Man. He is both. Those whom he wishes to reveal this to understand this.He is God , and on earth…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 07 2011,06:09)Nope. He is the firstborn of creation because he was part of God from the first moment of existance. God is first. So was Jesus.So then God the Father is also the “firstborn of all creation”?