Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 30 2011,19:32)Since I already pointed out that you have no scriptural basis to claim that the old creation was created through Jesus the Anointed it seems we are at loggerheads on this one.Let's let it be loggerheads then, Kerwin.  In conclusion, let me say:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the…[Read more]

Bye Ed.

Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 31 2011,04:20)P.S. It doesn't have to make sense. Sometimes the truth doesn't make sense, but it nevertheless is the truth. Is your spirit with you now?Then let's all just have free reign to create our own meanings of all the scriptures. Here's one:When Jesus said eternal life is the taking in of knowledge of the only true…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Oct. 31 2011,16:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2011,13:00)Quote (carmel @ Oct. 30 2011,09:47)First which scriture states:”God created me as the first of His works”Proverbs 8:22.Quote (carmel @ Oct. 30 2011,09:47)These scriptures are not proof enough that Jesus is not from eternity.Sure they are, Charles.  And there are other ones,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 31 2011,04:16)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2011,13:26)Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 30 2011,12:07)MIke I did read it all. Really. I see where you are coming from and why you have your reasoning on the translations.Praise God, Mark.  At least now when you see the NWT's “and the Word was a god” translation, you'll know that they…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Oct. 30 2011,21:15)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2011,11:39)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Oct. 30 2011,14:28)The first part of this passage if speaking of Yahshua being or existing in the form, image or likeness of Yahweh. Now, many might take this translation when it says “… He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Oct. 30 2011,19:40)The worst comeback I have heard so far, is you make a good argument based on scripture, and then they accuse you of teaching the Trinity or Jesus is God.Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Oct. 30 2011,21:08)Mike,………………..nowhere in Scripture am I ever asked to believe and confess the foolish, false, deceptive, and demonic doc…[Read more]

Hi Frank,I don't know where you got the idea that I think Jesus is God.  I don't, and I fight against Trinitarians and other “Jesus is God” believers every day on this site.I believe that Jesus existed and had glory alongside his God and our God before the founding of the earth.  I believe that he was the firstborn of every creature, the b…[Read more]

Good post, t8.Jesus said, “I came down from heaven”.The Jews said, “This joker must be trippin'!  We know his whole family and know he is from Nazareth!”.Then Jesus said, “If you think I'm trippin' now, wait until you see me ascend to where I was before”.Then many of them actually saw him do just that.  T8, the only “proof” I've seen from the n…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 30 2011,12:07)MIke I did read it all. Really. I see where you are coming from and why you have your reasoning on the translations.Praise God, Mark.  At least now when you see the NWT's “and the Word was a god” translation, you'll know that they have every right to translate it that way, and they don't do it because they…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Oct. 30 2011,09:47)First which scriture states:”God created me as the first of His works”Proverbs 8:22.Quote (carmel @ Oct. 30 2011,09:47)These scriptures are not proof enough that Jesus is not from eternity.Sure they are, Charles.  And there are other ones, like in John 6 where Jesus says “I live because of the Father”.  So you c…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Oct. 30 2011,09:06)Now I would like to know ,why Jesus in His speech used the present tense, I SEND YOU PROPHETS…… if He meant to send them in the future,as you claim,and not use the future tense I WILL SEND YOU,or I SHALL SEND YOU?Charles,This is getting old.  You are desparately trying to make a claim that Jesus IS God…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Oct. 30 2011,12:56)Mike,As I have said I have no disire to answer your points, since I clearly said that I did not come here to dicusss anything with you or anyone like you. I have yet to have anyone show me Scripture that refutes what it is that I believe. That is what I said, I came here to find people who believe as I do.…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Oct. 30 2011,14:28)The first part of this passage if speaking of Yahshua being or existing in the form, image or likeness of Yahweh. Now, many might take this translation when it says “… He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself  …” as giving reference to…[Read more]

Yes Jack,”Because of” is ONE of the many meanings of the Greek word “dia”. “By means of” and “through” are two other options.The clincher in 1 Cor 8:6 is the big huge FROM God contrasted with THROUGH Jesus.Notice Jack, that all things did not come FROM God and FROM Jesus.

I voted #10. I did not see a choice that said “Heavenly Father Alone” – which is the scriptural teaching.

No words in THAT scripture tell me Jesus is not from eternity. It is the words in OTHER scriptures that tell me Jesus is not from eternity. Words like “today I have begotten you” and “God created me as the first of His works” and “I am the beginning of the creation of God”, etc.

It added my vote.

Hi Charles,It refers to Jesus. But what words tell you this coming Messiah was FROM eternity?

That's an odd conclusion.  I think the fact that “Spirit OF God” was written 26 times represents 26 instances of proof that God's Spirit is OF him.  1 Corinthians 14:32The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets.Apparently these spirits aren't the prophets themselves, but are controlled BY the prophets.How does that fit in w…[Read more]