Quote (carmel @ Nov. 02 2011,00:39)Mike,”the ONLY true God and Jesus ChristThat's correct, Charles.Mike AND Charles.Mark AND Irene.John AND Jim.See how that word AND makes the above references be about TWO beings, not one?You wrote “the ONLY true God AND Jesus Christ”.  The word “AND” works the same way in this sentence fragment as it does in the…[Read more]

Scripture: Jesus is a Servant of God. (Acts 4:30)Trinitarians: Jesus IS the God he serves.

Yeah Jack, what Pierre said. Exodus 3:4 says “GOD called to him from the bush”. But verse 2 and Acts 7:30 and 35 all say it was an ANGEL OF God.Please explain, Sonny Roo.

Jack,Jesus is the VISIBLE representation of our INVISIBLE God.  And it was Jehovah Himself who told Moses that no man can see His face and live.And Manoah, after realizing he had seen AN ANGEL OF GOD, said:Judges 13:22 “We are doomed to die!” he said to his wife. “We have seen God!” And Jehovah is the One who told the Israelites not to test the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 01 2011,18:32)Quote I don't follow any man, including Charles Taze Russell.  What you just posted about him is more than I ever knew about him.  I don't know that much about him because I don't follow him.  If it is absolutely necessary for you to bash the JWs in an attempt to make yourself feel better or wiser or “r…[Read more]

I just posted this in another thread, but thought it would fit in this thread as well:From the Book of Enoch, this first part is for Jack, to show that Jesus is someone OTHER THAN the Ancient of Days:461There I beheld the Ancient of days, whose head was like white wool, and with him another, whose countenance resembled that of man. His countenance…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 31 2011,19:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2011,22:47)Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2011,23:01)hi Kathiwould that mean that the son of God the father is also the father ??Come on Pierre, get with the program.  The Son of the Father is obviously not the Father he is the Son of – that would make no sense.But it makes “perfect…[Read more]

Kathi,We have discussed how the prayer in Acts 4 distinguishes the Father as the God who created the heavens, the earth, and EVERYTHING in them – leaving Jesus no choice but to be one of the things CREATED BY his God.Now I have brought your attention to Rev 4:11, which supports Acts 4 by claiming that God is the One who created all things, and…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 31 2011,22:36)Pierre,#1 would be only the Father if the Word is not a person but His expression…think.But the Word IS a person. The Father ALONE created all things THROUGH that person. That is EXACTLY what the scriptures teach, which is why I was confused that it wasn't one of the choices.

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2011,12:16)By your wording I believe you actually meant “hoti” and not “dia” as you wrote, since “hoti” is translated “for” in the initial clause of Colossians 1:16 which would declare that Jesus is the firstborn of creation because “in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, wh…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2011,11:19)Jesus is called the Word of God because he is manifests the word of God by his words and actions.Jesus is called the Word of God because he is God's main angel/messenger/spokeman.  Just like the spokeman for the King of Abyssinia was called “the Word of the King”.Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2011,11:19)You believe…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Nov. 01 2011,17:07)Are you and Sonny going to tell Jacob what he saw and did not see?Sonny!     Jacob wrestled with an angel, or vice-regent of God.  And many times, the Hebrews called what they KNEW was an angel OF God “YHWH”.Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Nov. 01 2011,17:07) “No man has comprehended God at any time; Go…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 01 2011,01:42)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2011,11:54)Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 31 2011,18:14)You didn't answer the question- Is your spirit with you now? Is it you?No, and No.  My spirit is a part OF me, and therefore is neither me nor with me.Hi Mike,Possessions are either with someone or not with someone;how is your spirit…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 01 2011,15:28)I know Mike that this is not your prefered way .I simply posted them not for you but for others to meditate sriously. Okay, then I hope the others do what you want.  I might take a look at them someday when I have the time.Quote (carmel @ Nov. 01 2011,15:28)ONE MORE THING:KEEP IN MIND ALWAYS THIS: lUKE 10:22 All…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 01 2011,09:43)Mike, I will not debate with you any more in this. You believe what has been programed into you by Lawers (Charles was one of them) of scripture.Hi Mark,I don't follow any man, including Charles Taze Russell.  What you just posted about him is more than I ever knew about him.  I don't know that much about h…[Read more]

Kathi? Jackson?

You're welcome, Kathi. Is there a reason “the Father alone” was not a choice?

Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 31 2011,18:14)I never said we could create our own truth Mike.Well that's EXACTLY what you're doing, Mark.  Scripture says we have but ONE God, and that Jesus is the Son OF that ONE God.  See?  Scripture says “Son OF God” and Trinity says “God the Son”.  They have created their own truth, and you've bought into it hook, lin…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 31 2011,18:11)You say “indefinite doesn't have to mean eternity” ok, but it still means infinity.No it doesn't, Mark. If I take the kids to the park, and they ask how long can we stay, and I say “INDEFINITELY”, it simply refers to an UNKNOWN time period. It doesn't mean “forever”.You are confused on the meaning of the…[Read more]