Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 05 2011,14:18)Mike,Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Where does Enoch teach that angels marry?1 Enoch chapter 6Quote 1. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. 2. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 05 2011,00:54)Mike,That they may know YOU, the only true God, and Jesus Christ,THAT THEY MAY KNOW YOU,THE ONLY TRUE SOUL,AND MIKEThat is a great comparison, Charles.  Just as you can see from your sentence that “Mike” is NOT “the only true soul” that the “you” is, you can likewise see in John 17:3 that “Jesus Christ” is NOT…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Nov. 05 2011,12:12)view maintains that Christ was the eternal Word made Son in time for our salvation.Tell me how this works, Jack. First, there is no mention in scripture of any “eternal Word” that I'm aware of.Second, is it your understanding that there was ONE God, and because of the sin of mankind, God “separated…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 04 2011,12:40)The DRB render from the beginning.”From the beginning” does not mean or refering to the Son of God,that He had a beginning, but it is referring to the beginning of the spiritual creation,through the Son's spirit,THE WORD, who was one with the Father.  That comment makes no logical sense………….just like…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 04 2011,04:54)right now this is what he is leading me to. I have no idea why, but it is.Mark,Satan also leads people.  He is the god of this world, and can masquerade as an angel of light, after all.That's why we must test all things against the only thing we know as truth – the scriptures.  If “God” is leading you to an u…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 04 2011,23:31)Mike,Trinitarians, nor myself believe that Jesus is the Father that He was begotten from which you don't seem to accept.   The Nicene Creed does give the Son of God credit for all creation as being created BY the Son.  From this phrase we see that the Son worked with the Father in the act of creation: “by w…[Read more]

Oops! Nope, that is NOT the creed I agree with as scriptural, Kathi. It is apparently only the Apostle's and the Nicene with which I agree. (All except for the anathema they added to the end of the Nicene.)mike

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 04 2011,10:37)Hi Mike,For the record I agree with the JW's and Irene on this one as well.If you want to discuss this with me at greater length, let me know?It seems Pierre also agrees with you, too.  So “YES”, I would like to discuss this at greater length with all of you who are here discussing it now.The scriptures Mark and I…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 03 2011,20:43)so you believe that the earth will be totally new and the heaven as well Yes sir,That is my current understanding. Jesus said that heaven and earth WILL pass away, and I tend to believe him. But like I told Irene, this is the first time I've ever discussed this subject.peace,mike

Quote (Pastry @ Nov. 03 2011,19:39)Even if the Scripture in Ecc. and Psalms, means for a long time, there is still Malachi to deal with… If God will destroy the earth completely the Saints will not walk on the surface of the earth..Hi Irene,Can't the saints walk on the surface of the NEW earth?

Jack,Why don't you address MY posts?    For the last couple of months, you seem to pop in and post a quick (and unscriptural) comment, but then you don't address the flaws in that comment when I point them out to you.Why is that?  

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 03 2011,23:00)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 03 2011,17:37)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2011,21:18)The Apostle's Creed: I believe in God,    the Father almighty,    Creator of heaven and earth,    and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,The Nicene Creed:We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and o…[Read more]

Hi Kerwin,Where does Enoch teach that angels marry?Enoch 156But you from the beginning were made spiritual, possessing a life which is eternal, and not subject to death for ever.7Therefore I made not wives for you, because, being spiritual, your dwelling is in heaven.Also, how does Enoch describe Sheol as contrasted to how Jesus describes it?

Hi Irene,Then you believe like the JWs on this matter. I agree with them on many subjects, but not on this one. Of course, this is the first time I've even discussed this subject at any length, and I haven't ever delved into it. As impossible as it sounds, I could be wrong! But read what I told Mark about the words “for ever” in Eccl 1:4…[Read more]

Oh! Now I get your point! It was supposed to say Matthew 16:17. I've fixed it. Thanks for the heads-up!

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 03 2011,09:14)It takes the Spirit of God to show a man the truth that lies in the scriptures.Keith, If your spirit is showing you things that contradict the things clearly spelled out in scripture, then you are being guided by the wrong spirit, dude.  For example, if the scriptures say “the Son OF God”, and your…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 03 2011,17:34)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 04 2011,10:27)Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 03 2011,06:55)Seems point blank to me. Yet Jehovahs witnesses say-“Earth will never be destroyed or depopulated Eccl. 1:4; Isa. 45:18; Ps. 78:69Mark,Three years ago, when I decided to give up the drug and alcohol lifestyle I was living and devote…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 03 2011,17:31)I am very confident in my close relationship with God and look forward to seeing him soon.Don't you mean “seeing THEM soon”? (Just kidding, let's stick with the topic.)

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 03 2011,06:55)Seems point blank to me. Yet Jehovahs witnesses say-“Earth will never be destroyed or depopulated Eccl. 1:4; Isa. 45:18; Ps. 78:69Mark,Three years ago, when I decided to give up the drug and alcohol lifestyle I was living and devote myself to coming to know God, I asked a JW to study with me.  On our second…[Read more]

My hope is that people come to know Charles, who goes by “carmel”, and Mike.Charles, does my sentence speak of ONE? Or TWO? Which ONE of the two mentioned “goes by carmel”?