You remind me of Kangaroo Jack yelling “ANATHEMA” at me because I wouldn't agree that Jesus is the God Almighty that he is the Son of. Naturally, I don't suppose you'd care to show me where I lied, would you? You've called me a liar after two different posts I made. Show me which part of each post was a lie, Frank.If you cannot,…[Read more]

Okay Gene,I am willing to GENTLY discuss the whole issue with you, one point at a time.  I'll make the first point, and AFTER you DIRECTLY address it, then you can make your first point.  Gene, John the Baptist says very specific words about the Lord he came to pave the way for.  In verses 29-30, John says those words about JESUS.  In verses 14-…[Read more]

For Frank – the writings of mikeboll64, who has put this in HIS OWN words, knows the scriptures that back up his own words, and is willing and able to DEFEND what he writes:1.  John was not the light, but came to testify about the light who was coming into the world. The Word was the light of men who came into the world. And we know from later…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 30 2011,18:03)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2011,10:41)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 30 2011,17:38)Yahshua's name/title is called “The Word of Yahweh” because he is the spokesman of His and our FatherAnd do you agree that “the Word” from John 1 is also actually “the Word of God”?  Or do you believe John 1 refers to someone…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 30 2011,17:38)Yahshua's name/title is called “The Word of Yahweh” because he is the spokesman of His and our FatherAnd do you agree that “the Word” from John 1 is also actually “the Word of God”? Or do you believe John 1 refers to someone else's word?

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2011,12:35)I understand your point but again it's simply not clearI looked into your verses, and 1 Cor 9:1 uses a Greek word that can mean “visually seen”, or “mentally understood”, sort of like “do you SEE what I mean”.But there is no doubt that 15:8 uses a word that refers to actual sight.I don't know how to…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 29 2011,23:53)You can repeat the claim forever and it is still not supported by a rational argument until you explain why it is certain the Word in John 1 symbolizes Jesus.I'm sincerely hoping that I have made the argument “rational” enough for you now. I will await your response to my last post.

Okay Ed,Are you saying that because WJ was the subject originally mentioned, and because I obviously did not switch subjects in the middle of the thought, that WJ is the one to whom the pronouns “his” and “him” apply – even though “him” is in a completely different sentence?

Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 29 2011,20:54)I prefer those with whom we can reason together.I agree with the majority of your post, Wm.  And I will do my part to work on the belittling aspect.But, what do you suppose we do when we are discussing scripture with someone who is opposed to reasoning together?It seems that you'd prefer to let people like…[Read more]

Frank,Do you believe the title “the Word of God” in Rev 19:13 is applied to Jesus?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 29 2011,20:26)God and His word or Words are one and the Same. Mike think a man and his word or words are not the sameGene, do you see the words “his” in your post?  Are you unaware that the word “his” represents a POSSESSION OF someone?HIS words.  THEIR thoughts.  HER spirit.  MY soul.  Gene, each of the capped word…[Read more]

That's right, Frank.  And I'm trying to show you from the EXACT SCRIPTURAL WORDS that were written that I am the one believing scripturally, while you are not.Frank, if the scriptures actually backed YOUR doctrine, then it would be easy for you to address each issue someone asked you about.  If that was the case, then I wouldn't spend so much of m…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 30 2011,14:59)All things were made by/through him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.Him = autos {ow-tos'} pronoun,  Definition:himself, herself, themselves, itselfhe, she, itSo as you can see it has a smaller chance on the outset as meaning “it” and a greater chance of meaning “him, he, etc”.Actually t8, it is…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 29 2011,20:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 30 2011,12:47)Frank,What is your direct answer to question #1?How about question #2?Mike,I have previously given answers to both of these questions in my previous posts which you have conveniently chose to ignore. I am also quite aware that others here who believe as I do have also…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 28 2011,20:50)And thats THREE Fingers not tree fingers.It's also “WHETHER OR NOT”, not “RATHER OR NOT”.And it's “MODERATOR”, not “MONITOR”.And it's “COHORT”, not “COHART”.Just helping you out like you helped out Pierre.

Frank,What is your direct answer to question #1?How about question #2?

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 28 2011,20:50)Jesus came from the breath of God(above) and the Word became FleshI'm getting mixed signals from you. Do you believe that Jesus existed and had glory alongside his God long before he became flesh?Do you believe that all things in heaven and on earth were created through him?

Just to be clear, Tim:You DO think that actual PEOPLE will be judged and punished? Or you don't?

Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 29 2011,08:41)From what I've seen here the definition of bizarro should be: any doctrine(s) held by those who disagree with you.With who?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 28 2011,21:09)Mike …………YES IN HIS MINDS EYE, Just as all who SEE GOD Do likewise.  God is a Spirit you can not see him. You simply do not believe Jesus or John when he said “ no man has seen God at any time John 1:18……> No man has seen God (AT ANY TIME), the only begotten Son, Which is in the bosom of the…[Read more]