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    Charles,Scripture says that God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son so that we would be saved.YOU say that God so loved the world that He Himself came as a man so that we would be saved.Why does your view not line up with the words of scripture?

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 06 2011,17:39)3) Indirectly in verse 4, and specifically in verse 14.14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us AND we beheld his glory, the glory of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.Show me where Christ is SPECIFICALLY mentioned in verse 14.Also Ed, consider that this is one continuous…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 06 2011,17:39)1) “The Word's” glory is exemplified in his only begotten son.Okay Ed,Let's follow this thought through.  YOU think that the Word is the Holy Spirit, which is God Himself, right?Why would the Word/Holy Spirit/God Himself have the glory of an only begotten OF God? Because the Word is what became flesh; and the Word…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 06 2011,17:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 07 2011,08:54)Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 06 2011,04:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 06 2011,08:01)Ed, here is 1:14-15 again, but instead of using pronouns, I will use the name of the subject to which they actually refer:14 The Word became flesh and made his THE WORD'S dwelling among us. We have seen…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 06 2011,16:15)What is the definition of the word that your translators translated to 'craftsman'? <–Let's explore this; OK?Okay.From NETNotes:Critical to the interpretation of this line is the meaning of אָמוֹן (’amon). Several suggestions have been made: “master craftsman” (cf. ASV, NASB, NIV, NRSV), “nursing child”…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 06 2011,16:20)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 07 2011,08:22)Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 05 2011,17:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 06 2011,10:31)Of course the word of God was sometimes delivered via His Holy Spirit.  According to Jesus, Ps 110 is one of those times.Hi Mike,Thank you, then we are in agreement on this point. :)God blessEd JEd,If we…[Read more]

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    Ed,Do you believe it is Jesus Christ who speaks to the churches in Revelation 2 and 3?

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    Hi Tim,Revelation 24 Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken your first love. 5 Remember the height from which you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.Jesus said these words to the church in Ephesus……………AFTER they had accepted him…[Read more]

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    Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2011,18:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 06 2011,08:36)I was thinking of verse 7, but good job, Pierre.  :)For a man should not have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God. But the woman is the glory of the man.This is an opinion on Paul's part not The Word of GODHi Asana,I wasn't speaking of the “head…[Read more]

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    Gene,Were you going to address my last post to you?Also, do you believe that the word of God came to the prophets through the Holy Spirit?

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    Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 06 2011,00:55)Hi Mike,”and he had a name written, that no man knew,” (Rev 19:12)Do you know the name Jesus?How is it that this does not disqualify him?   Please, this really does deserve an honest answer.What is it you want to know, Ed?  Jesus has many names:  Faithful and True, Son of Man, Son of God, Jesus of Nazareth, Je…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 06 2011,04:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 06 2011,08:01)Ed, here is 1:14-15 again, but instead of using pronouns, I will use the name of the subject to which they actually refer:14 The Word became flesh and made his THE WORD'S dwelling among us. We have seen his THE WORD'S glory, the glory of the only begotten from the Father, full…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 05 2011,17:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 06 2011,10:31)Of course the word of God was sometimes delivered via His Holy Spirit.  According to Jesus, Ps 110 is one of those times.Hi Mike,Thank you, then we are in agreement on this point. :)God blessEd JEd,If we are in agreement that the word of God came VIA His Holy Spirit, then we…[Read more]

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    Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 05 2011,22:10)Hi Mike,”Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matt 16:28)This verse is PRETTY cut and dry, why do you NOT believe that this is talking about Pentecost?   …what do you believe it means?It means that some will not…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    What do you want me to say, Ed? Of course the word of God was sometimes delivered via His Holy Spirit. According to Jesus, Ps 110 is one of those times.But the burning bush is an example of a time when the word of God did NOT come via His Holy Spirit.So, what point are you going to make with this info?

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    I have yet to see any “evidence”, but carry on. :)

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    Ed,The answer could be “They have mental problems”.  Ed, the parts of scripture where you and I disagree are the parts where I remain adhered to the scriptures while you forego the scriptures for your own imagination.Pierre has been studying at least as long as you have, and he and I see eye to eye on virtually everything scriptural.  Same with t…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Well, in the case of the burning bush, it was one of God's angels, who may or may not have been Jesus. But it sure wasn't God's Holy Spirit that spoke to Moses out of the bush.

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    None of what you've posted so far says that Christ's SECOND COMING has occured.What else ya got?

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Ed,God's words came through the Holy Spirit, visions, dreams, angels and prophets. (Heb 1:1)None of that changes the fact that Jesus has the title “the Word of God”, because he is God's main spokesperson.

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