Gene,Last chance. Do you know of a scripture that says Jesus' disciples came “from above”? YES or NO?Either answer it DIRECTLY, or don't bother answering it (or ever addressing me) at all.I have grown weary of your games. I've had all I can take.

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 12 2011,12:33)And now we circle back to the point of the original post.Correct.  And that point was “Where did God come from?”  I have asserted that God didn't “come from” anywhere, because God has always been.It is now for you to tell me why you think matter and energy could have existed forever, but God couldn't h…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2011,16:26)she was imposing as others, and witnessing & backing up her own replies through these characters. We've had a couple of similar experiences here.  It's easy to pick out an alter-ego when they start giving accolades to one particular poster over and over.Does anyone remember when Istari came on telling us all…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 12 2011,13:27)And the word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his esteem, the esteem as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of favor and truthAh, so you took English lessons at Ed's school in the sticks, huh?  Frank, the subject of the sentence is “The Word”.  The words “his glory” refer back to t…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 12 2011,12:36)Yahchanan 1:1 says “… and the word was Yahweh (“God”).No, it doesn't Frank. But you would know that if you read my post – especially the green words.But as usual, you'll just keep posting the same thing without even addressing the things we keep showing you.

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 12 2011,13:43)How is it you believe that God sacrificed what he forbid others to Sacrifice?Are you serious, Asana?  I believe it because the whole of the NT teaches it – that's why.  All firstborns were to belong to God.  God made provision for the Israelites to redeem firstborn children through a lamb or doves.  I cou…[Read more]

Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 11 2011,01:53)Revelation 5.1 > And i saw in the right hand of Him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.The Father is there…Skip forward…6 >And i beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had…[Read more]

What are our other choices? Give me an example of what YOU think might have existed forever, before becoming the source of all intelligent life in existence.

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 11 2011,18:32)if GOD in heb 1:1 is the fatherwhy did christ sayJohn 1:18New International Version (NIV)18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.John 1:18 actually says, “No one has ever seen God, but the only begotten god, who…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 11 2011,16:13)I'm not making a blanket claim I am simply asserting that a revelation would reveal something that was previously unknown whether it's believed or not has to do with someones faith i.e. The faith to believe it or the faith not to believe it.So our difference is that you have faith in a revelation that…[Read more]

Quote (ftk @ Dec. 12 2011,06:56)IF JESUS IS YOUR LORD YOU WOULD FOLLOW JESUS….And isn't “FOLLOWING JESUS” a “deed” that I must continually perform?This is all that I'm saying, Tim.  You seem to think that saying “I believe” ends everything and you automatically gain everlasting life.  That is NOT the case.  Not only must you believe that the sa…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 12 2011,10:27)Example: the boy scouts said “Let us make a campfire” and the boy scouts made the campfire.That's right, Kathi.The boy scoutS made the fire. Are you saying that “GodS created man in THEIR image”? If so, you are speaking against the scriptures.Kathi, this is very simple: I have shown you FOUR separate…[Read more]

Quote (ftk @ Dec. 12 2011,07:35)Were you so busy condemning the “effeminate” persons mentioned in the KJV that you didn't even look up the word and see what it really means?Actually, I did look it up Tim.From NETNotes:This term is sometimes rendered “effeminate,” although in contemporary English usage such a translation could be taken to refer to…[Read more]

Not only is it possible, but that “thing” that has always existed is God.

Apparently, for I see no “answers” to my point. Please point them out for me.

Ed,You are wrong, like you are about many scriptural things. And I have grown very weary of wasting my time with you and Gene.

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 12 2011,08:24)It's the “HolySpirit” that gives eyes as a “flame of fire”. (Heb.12:29)“God is a consuming fire.”    Where does that say, “It is the Holy Spirit that gives eyes as a flame of fire”?  Ed, if the Holy Spirit GIVES eyes of fire, then the Holy Spirit is not what HAS eyes of fire.  In Revelation, there is one who HAS…[Read more]

But who actually created the man after the “Let us”? There was only one subject who then created that man. It does not say, “Then Gods created man in their image”, right?And I believe we've already discussed the plural of majesty, right? Unless you have a translation that renders one of those plural “makers” or “creators” as “Makers” or…[Read more]

Your analogy only works if God in fact came at all. But that is not the case. God has always been – He didn't “come into being”.Now surely even you can grasp this hard teaching, because even with evolution, something (some matter or energy) had to have ALWAYS existed.Where did the planets come from? How about the particles they're made from?…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 12 2011,08:04)Hi Mike,You have not had your own personal Pentecost yet?How many SECOND comings do you suppose Jesus has, Ed? Do you suppose he comes in full view, on the clouds with the angels, each time someone gets baptized?