Quote (jammin @ Dec. 17 2011,08:49)if the angel of the LORD is not GOD , why did manoah said in verse 22 that they saw GODI've already explained to you that in the Bible, people often referred to the vice regent OF God as “God”.Jammin, did Moses speak to GOD in the burning bush, or an angel OF God? What does scripture bear out? (Acts…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 17 2011,08:54)you said I don't deny that Jesus is a god… where can you read in the bible that he is a god???kindly read a verse mike…John 1 1 In beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.18 No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom with the Father is the…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 17 2011,08:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 18 2011,01:13)Ed, look at the difference between the Greek you posted and the Greek jammin posted.  Do you see that in jammin's post, “theos” is there TWICE?If you will read footnote 1 in NETNotes like I suggested, you will have a better understanding as to why some Greek mss have “son”,…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 17 2011,08:29)he is equal with GOD. dont you see and understand the verse? if you dont agree that christ is equal with GOD then you are preaching a different christThink it out, Jammin.Even IF Jesus were “equal WITH God”, those words in themselves would make it clear Jesus was NOT God.  I cannot possibly be EQUAL TO you, and…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 17 2011,08:23)by the way, who is christ to you??? when did he exist??what's the use of greek translation IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT?? many preachers use greek but yet they do not understand the context of the bible.  read the bible by it's context. do not skip and make conclusions no matter what language you use .…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 17 2011,08:14)i did not say ANGELS of the LORD. read carefully mike. i said angel of the LORD   the one who spoke to moses manoah etc. And how do YOU know which of God's angels spoke to Moses and Manoah?  Luke 111 Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him……..19 The angel answered, “I am Gabriel.The angel of the Lord in thi…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 17 2011,03:40)CHRIST IS GOD BUT NOT GOD THE FATHER. they have the same nature. phil 2:6Phil 2 tells us that Christ was existing in the “form” of God before emptying himself. The Greek word translated as “form” in most Bibles means:morphe 1) the form by which a person or thing strikes the vision 2) external appearanceIf Jesus…[Read more]

Ed, look at the difference between the Greek you posted and the Greek jammin posted. Do you see that in jammin's post, “theos” is there TWICE?If you will read footnote 1 in NETNotes like I suggested, you will have a better understanding as to why some Greek mss have “son”, and others have “god”. You can also read their reasons for feeling “god”…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 17 2011,07:56)mike are you using a new world translation?I quote many translations. I did quote the NWT's version of John 1:18, because most of the Trinitarian biased translations have changed the Greek word “monogenes”, which truly means “only begotten”, to “God the one and only”, which is absurd. How could “God the ONE AND…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 17 2011,00:24)christ called the messenger of GOD (john 17:3).Exactly.  In fact, Christ is the main spokesman for God, which is why he alone has the title “The Word of God”.Quote (jammin @ Dec. 17 2011,00:24)do you believe that christ is not also GOD? Absolutely not.  I am a part of the “US” in the following verse:1 C…[Read more]

Ed,Check here.Or the Greek transliteration on this page.Also, read footnote #1 in NETBible's translation on the last link.

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 16 2011,20:33)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 17 2011,11:19)WE believe that Jesus was crucified, and died as a result.  YOU apparently believe that the death of Jesus was FAKED, as if God played a big, funny joke on everyone.Walk us through YOUR understanding…………It's simple GOD SAVED JESUSPlease explain. Did God fake…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 16 2011,18:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 17 2011,10:49)It's funny that Frank's defense to Proverbs 8 is the feminine form of the words, yet he is willing to completely ignore the singular, masculine form of the pronouns associated with “the Word” in John 1.  Frank, if wisdom cannot be Jesus because of feminine pronouns,…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 16 2011,18:31)Actually, my view is, when biblical Scriptures are involved, only one witness is needed. However, something as outstanding as this would surely have been mentioned by other New Testament writers if this is to be accepted as literally true. From the list above, we see that no other New Testament writer…[Read more]

Well then, we'll call it a stalemate. Because we both believe that something existed from eternity. You like to think that this thing (or these things) somehow, out of the blue, just interacted with each other and BAM!, a billion years later, here we are discussing it.I personally think that is absurd. There are a million reasons for me…[Read more]

Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 16 2011,06:54)Genesis 5:3And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own LIKENESS, and after his IMAGE, and called his name Seth.Guess Seth is really Adam reborn huh!!Hi Devo,That is a new one to me, so THANKS! It will come in handy if any of the Trinitarians we've scared off this site ever come…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 16 2011,19:41)Christ is the son of GOD and not the father . john 3:16. GOD sent his son. you cant send yourself.I agree 100% with the above, for it is simply common sense.Quote (jammin @ Dec. 16 2011,19:41)it is very clear in the verses that the angel (messenger) of GOD is GOD himself.This part, not so much.  Why would God…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 16 2011,13:42)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 16 2011,08:26)Does the scripture say God asked for, or approved this sacrifice?  If not, then I can't speak about how God felt or reacted to this situation, because I truly don't know.Yes, and you already quoted the offending verses favorably.Leviticus 27:28-29:Nevertheless, anything…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 16 2011,04:18)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 16 2011,13:22)God KNOWING that the Israelites would constantly disobey Him is different than Him PLANNING for them to do so – as if He purposely caused this behavior.So God didn't plan the crucifixion as a means of salvation? You agree with me that God didn't purposely cause the…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 16 2011,04:15)If that's true Judas is just as responsible for your salvation since you attribute the cross the key to your salvationIf you choose to see it that way, I suppose. But if you do, then don't stop there. You must also consider that Satan is resposible for our salvation, because without him, we might not have…[Read more]