Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 17 2011,16:51)How long did it take you to find that bit of apologetic gymnastics?Not long.  I asked God for understanding, and He lead me to the scriptures I posted.As for the rest of your post, you are avoiding the main point.  Because even in the YLT you quoted, the words of verse 29 are “which is devoted OF man”.  …[Read more]

Quote (princess @ Dec. 17 2011,15:54)True Mike, you do have a lot of catching up to do.All the same, you did not explain why does Jesus cry out Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?Yes, I suppose I have much catching up to do on unscriptural notions. I haven't spent much time looking into secular religious beliefs, so they are all new to me.As for your…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 17 2011,17:05)As for our stalemate, you can break it any time.I'm good. But thanks for the offer.

Kathi,Did Jehovah often say “I am I AM”? YES or NO?Did Jesus EVER say “I am I AM”? YES or NO?

Princess,Thanks just the same, but I'll wait for Asana to explain his understanding to me.

Then for sure it must be a Kiwi problem, not an American one.

Gene,It is always YOU who disagrees with Jesus' words…….not us.Gene, do you give the SAME EXACT honor to Jesus as you give to God Himself? YES or NO?

Says WHO? You? This is what we here call “The Exception for Jesus Rule”. You don't think that any of the OTHER angels of God are God Himself. So why the “exception for Jesus”, jammin?And before I show you a scripture that says Jesus and God are “equally spirit beings”, why don't you show me one that says Jesus is equal to his own God in the…[Read more]

Quote (ftk @ Dec. 16 2011,04:01)Jesus said,….judge not(condemn not)…..lest(or if you do) you be judged/condemned!Jesus also said that we would be judged with the same measure with which we judge others.Do you agree that we will be judged?Revelation 220 Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 17 2011,09:49)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 18 2011,02:42)Quote (jammin @ Dec. 17 2011,09:30)i said we are equal. did you read my post?And I asked you:Can I be EQUAL TO you and BE you at the same time?  YES or NO?Did you read MY post?i answered this already. read my post mike    Just say “YES” or “NO”, please.

Yes jammin.I agree that Jesus and his God are equally spirit beings.  I believe that the OTHER angels of God are also equally spirit beings.

Glad to have you, jammin.And Charles, I misspoke before. jammin believes like you that Jesus is God Almighty. He does not believe that Jesus is the Father.But I truly hope we can carry on with our current discussion one point at a time. That way, we can all learn together.From what we learn, we can then at least be basing our understanding on…[Read more]

He is on your side, Charles. He actually is here to learn…….he just doesn't know it yet. He thinks he's here to teach so far.

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 17 2011,09:40)now why did paul say did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantageThe words are, “did not consider equality with God something to be grasped”.Just like the many translations I posted for you have it rendered.

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 17 2011,09:31)dont you have the form of man mikeYes, I exist in the form of man. What does that mean to you, jammin? To me, it means that I consist of a spirit, body, and soul.How about God? What form does God exist in? He is a spirit being, right?So if Jesus was “in the form of God”, then it is saying that Jesus was…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 17 2011,09:30)i said we are equal. did you read my post?And I asked you:Can I be EQUAL TO you and BE you at the same time? YES or NO?Did you read MY post?

Charles,Hold off a minute. I'll respond to your last post soon. It seems there will now be three of us in the classroom, and I'm giving jammin a chance to catch up with the lesson plan.

Okay jammin,First, read the 4th post from the top on page 70.  Let me know when you've read it.(After that, I'll direct you to Charles' rebuttal post.  After reading it, you'll be caught up with the lesson plan.)

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 17 2011,08:58)let's talk about first phil 2:6 beofre we go to 1cor 15:27you dont understand the verse well. paul is saying that christ is equal with GOD. Philippians 2:621st Century King James Version (KJ21) 6who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God,where can you find in phil 2:6 that paul is…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 17 2011,09:08)you are giving a biased translation hahahahaha. only one translation and i think it is a NWT. a horrible translationI've already invited you to the “Charles” thread. I hope you come and learn.There is also a thread called “Blatant Corruption in the NWT” on this site. I am still waiting for someone to post the…[Read more]