Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2012,19:43)Hi MB, Jesus was conceived of God and born a man. Men are relatively powerless. The anointing of the Spirit of God transformed him as the Spirit can do with you. You could do greater things than even those he did-he said so.The question was:Through which one of the two Jesus' you mentioned did God create the…[Read more]

Nick,God created ALL THINGS through His firstborn and only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. Don't over think it. Just accept the words of the scriptures.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,10:44)Hi T, Recreation in Christ is the plan of God.The original creation of all things through the Son of God was also the plan of God.

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 08 2012,20:55)So is Jesus a man in heaven. No, if you mean that he is a being decendant from Adam with flesh and blood and residing in Heaven.If you mean the second Adam a life giving spirit, then that is different because spirit can reside there.Just pointing out Nick that saying “Jesus is a man in heaven” could well have greater…[Read more]

And is it not by our human wisdom and logic that we are able to understand what Eph 4:23 and Rom 12:2 are even teaching us?

Nick,Is it not human wisdom that allows you to be able to read the scriptures in the first place?Is it not human logic that causes you to understand the words you read?When Jehovah told Israel that He would bring a sword against them, is it not our own God-given logic that causes us to know He spoke of a mighty nation of warriors, and not of a…[Read more]

Yeah, that one threw me for a loop too, Georg. It is Zechariah 3:1-2 that he quoted.

Yeah, that one threw me for a loop too, Georg. It is Zechariah 3:1-2 that he quoted.

If I am chosen for a life on earth, then I will be a human being. If I am one of the elect, then I will be a spirit being, like Jesus.

Hmmmmm………… Okay, through which one of the two Jesus' did God create the universe?

Bump for NickQuote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2012,14:32)Hi MB, Yes the second Adam also had God as his Father. Then he was anointed at the jordan with power.He became the Son of God with power at the resurrection, not at the Jordan. The miracles were done by God through Jesus.He wasn't given all authority until he was raised from the dead – after…[Read more]

He was the Son of God before the universe was created through him. Should we only accept scriptures that don't offend us, Nick?

Should we, Nick?

No Nick. We follow the teachings of one who USED TO BE a human being. Before that, he was a spirit being who had glory alongside his God. After that, he was exalted to an even higher glory at the right hand of his God.The last Adam became a SPIRIT, Nick. Galatians 1:1 and 11 make it CLEAR that he is no longer a human being.

That's right, Nick. Now, tell me what scripture says Jesus BECAME the Son of God at the Jordan.

And the “US” understand the emphatic language used. We understand that Paul didn't mean there was LITERALLY only one “Lord/Master”, for he also teaches slaves to obey their earthly masters.I'm quite sure in the resurrection, people like King David, Abraham, and Samuel will be referred to as “Lord” – just as they were when they walked the…[Read more]

And the “US” understand the emphatic language used. We understand that Paul didn't mean there was LITERALLY only one “Lord/Master”, for he also teaches slaves to obey their earthly masters.I'm quite sure in the resurrection, people like King David, Abraham, and Samuel will be referred to as “Lord” – just as they were when they walked the…[Read more]

Men consist of flesh, Nick. Do you know an exception?

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 08 2012,17:47)But within the boundaries of free will……………Oh no. Here we go again.

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 08 2012,17:39)I can't say that I have ever noticed the term 'heavenly man'.The term “heavenly man” is not in the Greek text. Nor is “heavenly human”.