Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 11 2012,21:30)Hi, The word was made flesh at the Jordan.And so the Word BECAME a flesh thing, right? What “thing” did the Word BECOME, Nick? Did the Word BECOME a human being named Jesus? If not, what flesh thing DID it BECOME?

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 11 2012,19:39)“The Word” written in Rev.19:13 is NOT identified as Jesus?Yes Ed,I know that you believe there were TWO who had eyes of blazing fire, will rule with an iron sceptor, will do battle against the beast of the earth and his armies, and have sharp swords coming out of their mouths.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 11 2012,20:10)Hi MB,Making sense and satisfying logic is not how you find truth.You keep adding stuff to what is writtenShow me what I added, Nick.

Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 11 2012,19:17)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)In my experience, the only people who ever say, “You must have it revealed to you by spirit” are people whose doctrines aren't taught in the scriptures.Our brains will never understand the truth without God's Spirit in US.Spoken like a true Trinitarian – or one who would like us to believe…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2012,21:11)Many years but I do not believe that 1914 is what the JW are claiming,do you ?I don't know what they are claiming, Pierre. YOU are the one who insists they're wrong. So, show me what they're claiming and why it is scripturally wrong.

Quote (david @ Feb. 11 2012,20:41)It still seems quite odd to me, Mike……………..What seems quite odd to me, David, is that I have spent a lot of my time defending YOUR religion from prejudicial people here over the last three years or so – yet you seem like it makes good sense to try and stab ME in the back, instead of supporting me.…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2012,18:12)Mikethis is 1914 ;God's kingdomWitness publications teach that God's kingdom is a literal government in heaven, ruled by Jesus Christ and 144,000 Christians drawn from the earth. The kingdom is viewed as the means by which God will accomplish his original purpose for the earth, transforming it into a paradise…[Read more]

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Nick,I don't really care to play your games anymore. Let's suffice to say that you think it makes sense that the Word of God could be yearning for past glory HE had beside his God, yet that word IS the very God HE had glory beside. If that makes sense to you, then I can't do anything for you.To me, it makes more sense that the BEING, Jesus, that…[Read more]

That's right, Nick.  For anyone or anything to be reminiscing about glory HE once had alongside his own God, then that thing or person must be a thing or person SEPARATE from God.Is that what you believe – that the Word of God was a thing or person SEPARATE from God?It is the ONLY way for your understanding to work.

The worst part is that I'll be having a scriptural discussion with a group of people. I'll make a post. And before they get the chance to read that post the next day, there are 5 new pages of one-liner sarcastic remarks between Nick and another member. They are all useless, and don't have anything to do with the discussion. It is a waste of…[Read more]

Good use of scripture, Jodi.

Okay Pierre. I'll assume that means I will NEVER again hear you slamming the JWs about some 1914 thing, right?So, tell me about 1975. Tell me what your complaint is with the JWs concerning 1975.

More pointless slams, Pierre? Where is the interpretation of scripture that can't possibly be?

Guys, I knew when I started this thread that the truth of this matter is unpopular. I knew people would fall back on 1 Tim 2:5.But the fact is that Jesus became a spirit – scripture says so. And as if that is not enough, Paul did NOT recieve his gospel from any MAN, but from Jesus Christ and God – scripture also says that.Believe it or don't,…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Feb. 11 2012,11:51)but what about the scriptures that STILL refer to him as a man?Oh, that's why you're having the hard time – because you think there exist scriptures that say Jesus IS still a human being in heaven.I assure you there aren't any.

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Feb. 11 2012,11:48)Galatians 1 identifies Jesus as being raised from the dead, thus identifies him as the man raised with flesh and bones, not as a spirit being!Wrong again, Jodi.Galatians 1:1 and 11 make clear that Paul did NOT recieve his gospel from any MAN, but from Jesus Christ. Why would you have such a hard time…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2012,14:16)we talking about their teachings of their understanding and interpretation of the scripturesYes Pierre,Because you were the only one in the “Blatant Corruption in the NWT” thread to admit that you know of no scripture that the NWT translates wrong, I understand that you speak of certain JW INTERPRETATIONS of…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Feb. 11 2012,12:37)Quote Wakeup, I CHALLENGE YOU to produce one NWT translation, or one JW belief that is scripturally wrong.–MIKE, few pages back.This is a really weird challenge!!!It's like saying that you believe that “JW belief” is all correct.  You can't believe this yourself, as you aren't a JW and have said that you…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Feb. 11 2012,11:35)Mike, it's hard to argue with someone when you don't know what they believe.  :-)What do you believe?1914, Christ returned:1. True,2. Not true,3. Don't knowDavid,Pierre made a claim that the JWs think Jesus' second coming was in 1914. That is not what the JWs think – as you should know. I have told him that…[Read more]