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    Quote (Colter @ Mar. 24 2012,06:08)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 24 2012,15:57)“Rose from within him”? no evidence of that.The inaugural words would have sounded strange coming out of Jesus' own mouth so the anomaly appeared above him;Colter,While I agree with you that Nick speaks from silence about Jesus becoming the Christ at the Jordan, aren't you…[Read more]

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    Quote (Colter @ Mar. 23 2012,19:42)Finally, it was the mortal tabernacle of the Son's incarnation that parished on the cross. The person of the Son returned and eventually ascended into heaven from wence he came.ColterSo Jesus “died” for our sins, but he didn't really die? It was a kind of “fake death”?How is he to be the first of many brethren…[Read more]

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    Quote (Colter @ Mar. 23 2012,19:12)Speaking of himself Jesus specifically said that the power to lay down his life and the power to take it up again was his.Yes,He said, “This COMMAND I received from my Father”. God COMMANDS God? ???(I was unaware that you didn't consider Paul's words as God-breathed scripture. That does make a difference.)

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    Quote (Colter @ Mar. 23 2012,18:49)For Jesus to say I will raise myself up and then to say “God” raised him up is saing the same thing in different ways.So then at one time, death had mastery over God Himself?

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 7 months ago

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 23 2012,17:21)Hi MB Yes David, the king and prophet was anointed as in 1 Samuel 16:1313 Then Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the midst of his brothers; and the Spirit of the LORD came mightily upon David from that day forward. And Samuel arose and went to Ramah.Hmmmm……………So David was anointed by…[Read more]

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    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 23 2012,01:03)2 in persons but one in nature, GODexmple, you and your father are 2 persons. but you have the same nature, MAN.But did Nick's father cause Nick to exist in the first place, as all fathers cause the existence of their sons?Of course.So why would it be any different in the case of Jesus?  Jesus and his Father are…[Read more]

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    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 22 2012,23:00)mike,the father is called the true GODthe son is also called the true GOD!No he's not. In fact, it is the Son who actually calls his Father “the ONLY true God”. ???

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    Quote (Colter @ Mar. 22 2012,20:36)The author does not defend against unbelief that would attempt to give heavier weight to subsequent characterizations about the event in contradiction to the masters clear teachings.So, AFTER being raised as “one with God”, when Jesus said, “I go now to my God and your God”, do you think the master counted on so…[Read more]

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    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 22 2012,23:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2012,11:27)Quote (jammin @ Mar. 21 2012,01:46)if you are a son of man, are you man or not?If you were the son of the ORIGINAL Man, you would also be A man, but not the same ORIGINAL man who fathered/begot you.Jesus, as the Son of the ORIGINAL God, would also be A god, but not the same…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 7 months ago

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2012,20:46)The first reference is to the nation.The second is to the anointed prophetsPerhaps, Nick. But how do you know this? Is there scripture that speaks of any prophet being anointed with oil or Holy Spirit?

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 7 months ago

    Quote (toby @ Mar. 23 2012,15:57)Hi all.Did someone say: Quote I don't recall the entire nation of Israel being anointed with oil (or Holy Spirit for that matter).  But notice that David calls them first “chosen ones”, and then “anointed ones”.Doesn't Ezekiel 39:29 say '… I will pour out my Spirit on the house of Israel', says the Lord God.The…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 7 months ago

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 22 2012,20:48)Hi Mike, There is a BIG difference between being an anointed one of God,and being “The Christ”; did you not know there was a difference?God blessEd JNo. The word “christ” means anointed one, and is used of many people in scripture – not just Jesus.Show me the difference.

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2012,20:17)Hi, Rev 1913 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name IS CALLED The Word of GodI have checked several versions and they all have iS CALLED there. Surely his name IS would be common usage so why IS CALLED used?It means the same thing, Nick. God told Abraham, “No longer will your name be called…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 7 months ago

    Ed,You should tell that to God's angel and Simeon.  Nothing you just posted changes anything.1 Chronicles 1612 Remember the wonders he has done,   his miracles, and the judgments he pronounced, 13 O descendants of Israel his servant,   O sons of Jacob, his chosen ones.19 When they were but few in number,   few indeed, and strangers in it, 20…[Read more]

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    Quote (Colter @ Mar. 23 2012,10:25) John 2″The Jews then responded to him, “What sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?” Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and >I< will raise it again in three days.” Now, scramble to discredit the words of your savior, make fools of yourselves by claiming faith in the Son while d…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 7 months ago

    I suppose he could have. But scripture doesn't say he did. Why?

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    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 21 2012,01:46)if you are a son of man, are you man or not?If you were the son of the ORIGINAL Man, you would also be A man, but not the same ORIGINAL man who fathered/begot you.Jesus, as the Son of the ORIGINAL God, would also be A god, but not the same ORIGINAL God who fathered/begot him.Your agument that the Son of God is…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 7 months ago

    Yes Nick,Let's just change the tenses written in the Bible to whatever tense suits us at the time. ???

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    The answer to who the true God is in 1 John 5:20 is the same as the answer to the following question:Who has a Son named Jesus Christ?We are in Him who is true in His Son…………..

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 7 months ago

    For David,Luke 210 But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. 11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord. 12 This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.” You guys can either believe the God…[Read more]

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