Kathi,Psalm 89:27 Young's Literal TranslationI also first-born do appoint him, Highest of the kings of the earth.English Standard Version (©2001)And I will make him the firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth.Darby Bible TranslationAnd as to me, I will make him firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth.

Pierre,Good post and quite right, my friend.Nick and Ed, do you believe Jesus was created? If so, you are arguing against the choir here. This thread was for people like jammin, Carmel, Lightenup, etc., that believe Jesus has always existed.Do YOU two think Jesus has always existed?

So then, SCRIPTURALLY SPEAKING, there ARE lesser gods in existence?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,18:39)Definitions of beings in heaven is worse than a wild guess.So you can't answer the questions from the last post on the previous page either?Nick, you are a pain – not because you don't know scripture – but because you are a master at avoiding clear questions – the answers of which will prove you wrong and…[Read more]

And here is question #2, Nick:Does it stand to reason that if Jehovah is “God Most High”, then there are other gods who are “less high” than Him?  YES or NO?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,18:31)Hi MB, It is up to you to prove things. Proving that Peter is not Mary is more difficultI will gladly prove it to you scripturally IF you are willing to answer my questions. Are you willing?If so, the first one was in the 2nd post on page 4 of this thread, in bolded letters.I'll await your answer.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,18:28)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,11:21)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,15:19)Hi MB, Does it mean that?If Jesus the Nazarene was a man what does partaking of flesh mean?Could it be it is about Jesus becoming the Christ?The WORD became flesh and dwelt among us.OR………………………….Could it be…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,16:23)Hi Ed, Mike wants him to be both an angel and a lesser god. fantasy cityAhhhh……………..The old put down and belittlement tactic!    That is usually the last resort of the desperate, Nick.Instead, why not try to prove me scripturally wrong when I say that Jesus is an angel and a lesser god than the G…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Mar. 25 2012,15:51)If you desire to keep your understanding of this, then you will need to explain how you say that Jesus was not Created, when all the other Angels were said to be created.Well that's an easy fix, Toby. I've typed my fingers to the bone trying to convince others through the actual scriptures that Jesus WAS created…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,15:19)Hi MB, Does it mean that?If Jesus the Nazarene was a man what does partaking of flesh mean?Could it be it is about Jesus becoming the Christ?The WORD became flesh and dwelt among us.OR………………………….Could it be about Jesus pre-existing his flesh as a spirit being, and THEN partaking in flesh…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 25 2012,15:28)David,I certainly would not believe it, since none of the Scripture references that Mike posted never makes mention that Yahshua was anointed with the set apart spirit and power . In fact, I would never believe or agree with anything that Mike or t8 posted on this forum.Of course not, Frank.  We post…[Read more]

Ed,That is a popular misunderstanding of the clearly written words. I've started a thread called “Was Jesus Created?”, and I hope to see you there.We've all been over Rev 3:14 and Col 1:15 time and time again, but I hope to add some new insight from other scriptures in that new thread.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,14:33)Hi MB, Jesus was a man. Scripture says so several times. Are you speaking of the WORD OF LIFE?Derivations from logic have little value compared with truthYes Nick,Scripture DOES say that Jesus partook of flesh since the children were of flesh.  We all agree that Jesus was a man at one time, so you can let…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 25 2012,14:38)The answer to you question is right there in front of your eyes in what you have posted and you still can not see!Quote THIS WOULD MEAN WHAT new creation Father Yahweh is still in the creation process:”Behold, I will create NEW heavens and a NEW earth. The FORMER THINGS will not be remembered, nor will…[Read more]

Ed,Your numbers are useless and meaningless, IMO. I have no more to say on the subject.

Nick,If JESUS CHRIST didn't exist until the Jordan, then JESUS CHRIST wasn't existing in the form of God before being made into the likeness of a human being.Yet Paul says that not only “JESUS” was existing in the form of God, but that God's “CHRIST” was existing in the form of God.So not only was the person JESUS there, but he was already God's…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,14:28)Hi MB, Does it say that in Phil 2? Does it not say CHRIST JESUS?Do you not know God spoke through him yet?You say there was no “JESUS” involved with the spirit of Christ until the Jordan, when “JESUS” and the spirit of Christ merged into one being.If that's the case, then it was the spirit of Christ existing…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,13:49)Hi Mb, So to you he is a lesser god and an angelAre all angels gods?Yes Nick.  In the terminology of the writers of the scriptures, angels are gods, and some are even called such in scripture.And the scriptures you've asked me to pass have been listed, but here you go anyway:Revelation 1:1 The revelation of…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,13:44)Hi MB,Scripture is carefully laid out.It would not say Jesus of Nazareth is the Word of God-because Jesus of Nazareth had to be anointed firstIt sure is, Nick.That's why the angel said Jesus was BORN the Christ. Not only that, but Paul said it was JESUS who was existing in the form of God before being made…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Mar. 25 2012,12:54)Quote So no one can sensibly and honestly argue that Jesus is not an angel of God.–MikeOh, believe me, they can argue it.Of course they can.  But not sensibly and honestly.