Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,21:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,13:51)Ed, from biblos.com:Strong's Concordance arché: beginning, originOriginal Word: ἀρχή, ῆς, ἡPart of Speech: Noun, FeminineTransliteration: archéPhonetic Spelling: (ar-khay')Short Definition: ruler, beginningDefinition: (a) rule (kingly or magisterial), (b) plur: in a q…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2012,21:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2012,22:00)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2012,20:53)Mike,Rev 3:14 does not say that He is the beginning creation of the creation of God. It says that He is the beginning of the creation of God. You have to add words to come up with your fallacy.What are you talking about, Kathi?  This…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,21:08)Hi Mike,Don't just ignore what you don't like.  ““God blessEd JSee Ed? This is the crap I'm talking about. I'm VERY busy right now, trying to keep up with all the posts. And here you are, WASTING MY TIME on nonsense posts like this one. WHY?YES, you think “firstborn of all creation” means “preeminence”. I…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,21:04)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,13:49)Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,20:43)Hi Mike, what about this part?Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; G-746 ἀρχή, ῆς, ἡPart of Speech: Noun,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2012,21:02)Mike,Once the cord is cut the baby is still dependent on the mother or a caretaker…for several years.For oxygen and blood, Kathi?

Kathi and jammin,I'm waiting for your 5 answers to the post at the bottom of page 5. (I've gone back and numbered them after Nick showed me he couldn't count. Just kidding, Nick)

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2012,20:53)Mike,Rev 3:14 does not say that He is the beginning creation of the creation of God. It says that He is the beginning of the creation of God. You have to add words to come up with your fallacy.What are you talking about, Kathi? This is what I meant by “mundane”.Unless I had a typo somewhere, I've always…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,20:35)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,13:30)Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,20:19)Looks like its you that is wrong , because “in the beginning God” was already a plural creator:Gen 1:26″Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness,…………And who proceeded to make man in HIS image, Colter?The Son and…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2012,20:51)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2012,20:37)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2012,19:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2012,20:03)That's EXACTLY what I said, Kathi.  I said that EVEN IN situations like David's, where “firstborn” wasn't literal, but used to show preeminence, he was STILL a member OF the group of which he…[Read more]

Ed, from biblos.com:Strong's Concordance arché: beginning, originOriginal Word: ἀρχή, ῆς, ἡPart of Speech: Noun, FeminineTransliteration: archéPhonetic Spelling: (ar-khay')Short Definition: ruler, beginningDefinition: (a) rule (kingly or magisterial), (b) plur: in a quasi-personal sense, almost: rulers, magistrates, c beginning.

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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,20:43)Hi Mike, what about this part?Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; G-746 ἀρχή, ῆς, ἡPart of Speech: Noun, FeminineTransliteration: archéPhonetic Spelling: (ar-khay')(Strong's) Definition:…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2012,20:40)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2012,20:30)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2012,19:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2012,19:57)Kathi,When you were born, you were created.  You became a new, INDIVIDUAL creation by being born.The firstBORN of the flock is still a CREATION of God.Mike,I existed before I was born by about 9…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 25 2012,20:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,12:42)Quote (jammin @ Mar. 25 2012,19:23)King James Version (KJV)13It shall devour the strength of his skin: even the firstborn of death shall devour his strength.Actually, you help my point jammin.IF this verse wasn't metaphoric, and IF death was a real living being with sons of…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,20:19)Looks like its you that is wrong , because “in the beginning God” was already a plural creator:Gen 1:26″Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness,…………And who proceeded to make man in HIS image, Colter?

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,20:02)Hey, that's kinda sounds like this verse…Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.Ed,CHILL OUT, MAN!  I'm answering MANY posts in MANY threads right now.  Have you noticed that almost everyone in this t…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 25 2012,20:01)The Word/Son was with God the Father in the beginning, that means eternal.Why Colter? Does the word “beginning” always mean “from eternity” in scripture?

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,20:08)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,12:59)Also, the word “christ” refers to one who has been anointed BY God.  I roll my eyes each time I read you claim that the Christ OF God is the very God who anointed him.   Hi Mike,When was Jesus anointed?Well Ed,“JESUS CHRIST” was existing in the form of God BEFORE he was made i…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 25 2012,20:07)there is nothing wrong with that verse. bec the father also says to his Son, you are GOD!CHRIST IS GOD BY NATURE! dont you understand mike? i did not say that the father is the son. i said, they have the  same nature, GOD!againexmple, you and your father have the same nature, MAN> you are truly man! not an…[Read more]

Really? He seemed to be very fond of the memory of him reclining against the bosom of Jesus. He mentioned it twice in his gospel.Everyone wanted to touch Jesus. If he were here right now, I would rush for an embrace, or at the very least, a touch.

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 25 2012,20:01)the word of live THAT JOHN HEARD  IS DIFFERENT OF THE WORD HE TOUCHED1 John 1:1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.Nick, what possible “Word” could they have he…[Read more]