Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 29 2012,19:28)Hi MB,So scripture has never stated that Jesus is an angel ………or that Jesus was a god.You are in error on both counts, Nick.Galatians 4:14………you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as if I were Christ Jesus himself.The only way that emphatic statement works is if the person listed is one of…[Read more]

Thanks for that info on “meno”, Frank!

Nick,Both David and I have explained this to you already. Our words are in this very thread, would you care to read them.But once again, the Hebrew word “mal'ak” and the Greek word “aggelos” mean “messenger”.When context dictates it is a human messenger described, then English translators render the word as “messenger”. But when it is certain…[Read more]

Revelation 49 Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne, and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say: 11 “You are worthy, our Lord and God,   to re…[Read more]

Which one of my three points is not written in scripture, Nick?

Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 29 2012,03:47)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,13:30)Nick,Can you refute the FACT that spirit messengers of God are typically called “angels” in scripture?  YES or NO?Can you refute the FACT that angels of God are called gods in scripture?  YES or NO?Can you refute the FACT that all who are called gods in scripture, and who a…[Read more]

While Acts 17 is still fresh in our minds, I would like to make one more point about it:Acts 17:24“The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands.Who does Jesus say the “Lord of heaven and earth” is?Matthew 11:25At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of hea…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2012,19:12)Mike,You can't seem to make a distinction between Jesus, according to the flesh, and Jesus who existed before the flesh.And was Jesus before the flesh in a higher or lower position than the exalted Jesus of today?In other words, has Jesus stepped DOWN a bunch of notches since fulfilling the will of his God and…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2012,20:46)So you can't show support from those early church father's for your view whatever that is. Then I am not interested…………….I'm sorry you feel that way Kathi.  I am guided by scriptures, not men.  I do learn much from the secular accounts of men, but I never believe what they wrote until I verify that t…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 29 2012,17:18)Hi MB,Since Jesus was named after his birthLuke 2:21On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise him, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he had been conceived.

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 29 2012,13:21)Logic is logical reasoning and God expects you to use it as he created man as a reasoning creature. Don't you realize that you use logic yourself?Jesus has always been a clean vessel as he did not fall short of the glory of God.Bravo, Kerwin.

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 29 2012,01:50)The Spirit came down as a dove to bear witness to who he is; just as it is written:I agree, Kerwin.Jesus was not without Spirit before the Jordan. The dove and declaration by God was simply that: a declaration to those present of who exactly Jesus had been all along, IMO.

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 28 2012,22:49)what kind of god is your christ mike?my Christ is truly GOD. that is what the bible tells usjammin,The word “Christ” refers to an anointed one OF God. If your anointed one OF God is also the God who anointed him, then something's wrong with your understanding of scripture, IMO.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,21:37)Hi, So Jesus was created as a man, and made both Lord and ChristNick,It is clear that you believe the words of scripture that say Jesus was MADE Christ and Lord.Many of us also believe the words of Phil 2 that say Jesus was existing in the form of God before he was MADE into a human being.

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 29 2012,00:51)I therefore use the same measurements with you as I do with myself and so view your argument as legitimate.   I ask you to do the same even if you do not agree with my conclusions.Fair enough Kerwin.  (Keep in mind on this “a god” point, that it's hard to fathom “GOD” being with “God”, and so I have common s…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 29 2012,00:12)The body from heaven is called spiritual while the body from this world is unspiritual.So Jesus, filled with the Holy Spirit without limit, performed many miracles and saved many people from within his UNSPRIRTUAL body?The most spiritual human being to ever walk the earth did so in an UNSPIRITUAL body? Doesn't…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Mar. 29 2012,15:23)My case is proven by the definition that is given in every credible dictionary ever written.So because mere men who have never been to heaven, have never seen a spirit being, and who most likely have never been filled with Holy Spirit or given revelation by Jesus and God Himself are your source?   Paul was filled…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2012,19:12)Mike,You can't seem to make a distinction between Jesus, according to the flesh, and Jesus who existed before the flesh.And was Jesus before the flesh in a higher or lower position than the exalted Jesus of today?In other words, has Jesus stepped DOWN a bunch of notches since fulfilling the will of his God and…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2012,19:45)Mike,you said:Quote 1Cor 8:6 says no such thing, Kathi.What do you think 1 Cor 8:6 says if it is not giving the Father and the Son both credit for creation. Show me some early church fathers that agree with you. Otherwise your claim is unsubstantiated. I can show you that 1 Cor 8:6 does credit the Father and…[Read more]

1Cor 8:6 says no such thing, Kathi.But, if you can't come up with anything except for your unsubstantiated beliefs to rebut Acts 17, then I'll give jammin a chance before posting the next scripture.