Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 26 2012,00:57)The blind stumble over this and only until the veil is taken off of their faces and their eyes are opened by the Spirit of revelation can they know the truth.Keith, Jesus is the one who told us he was less than his own God (who also happens to be OUR one God). Even after being exalted to the highest…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2012,20:03)Hi MB, Theological arguments prove nothing.EVERY WORD countsSo then you can see how important each word is, and how one could totally skew the scriptural teaching by adding to or taking away from those words, right?Remember that when you feel inclinded to add the word “IN” into John 1:14. The words say…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 27 2012,01:04)Mike Lives in th OT and doesn't understand that all the types, shadows, saviours etc pointed to Jesus. Jesus with his own words said the scriptures testified of him. He said that all that came before him were theives and robbers.I “live in the OT”? Is that your way of saying that I take all scriptures…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ April 27 2012,12:53)Mike,It seems you are confusing your belief with what it is that I believe, since it is you who believes “the Word who became flesh”, not I.And what do you believe John 1:14 is saying?

Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2012,02:28)Scripture does not say that Jesus existed as an angel prior to his conception.   Scripture teaches the pre-existence of Jesus in MANY places, Kerwin.Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2012,02:28)What is does state is he is of the Seed of David……….. No Kerwin.  What it says is that Jesus is BOTH the Root AND the B…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 26 2012,20:06)Mike,Scripture teaches you Jesus was conceived and therefore did not preexist.  You do not believe it so why would you believe anyone else?Kerwin, you nonsensically claim that it would be impossible for God to cause Michael the archangel to become conceived in a human woman's womb, and be born as a human from…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ April 26 2012,20:32)Mike,I never said that the author of the so-called “Gospel of John” did not know Yahshua as the spokesman of his and our Father Yahweh's word in this last time period. The author is not speaking of Yahshua pre-existing his birth as a separate being as Father Yahweh's word in the beginning. He is simply…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2012,17:40)Hi Jammin, So to you WAS should read IS?Nick,This is much ado over a non-point. I know that Jesus was not the God he is the Son of in the beginning, but your “WAS/IS” point doesn't prove it. For one, God does not change, so something that WAS God can never become something that ISN'T God. And secondly,…[Read more]

I was actually hoping for a SCRIPTURAL reason, Nick…………not your usual, “We don't WANT that to be the case, so it isn't.”Why wasn't it Jesus who had glory alongside God before the world began?   “We don't WANT that to be the case, so it isn't.”Why wasn't it Jesus who came down from heaven since it was Jesus who said he did?   “We don't W…[Read more]

Frank,You didn't address this part of my post:  Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ April 25 2012,20:10)He is referred to as such because it is his and our Father Yahweh's word that proceeds from his mouth and it is he who is the spokesman of his and our Father Yahweh's word in this last time period as Hebrews 1:1-2 makes perfectly clear.Exactly!  He is r…[Read more]

Charles,Very rarely do you post anything that is actually according to scripture. This is part of why I don't speak much to you on this site. While Jesus is by far the most important christ God ever anointed, he is one of many christs of God. That is what the scriptures teach, and so that is what I was trying to show you.You can accept the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2012,13:00)Frank,We are of the opinion that if the PERSON Jesus is called by the name “the Word of God” in Rev 19:13, then there is no reason the PERSON Jesus isn't called by that same name in John, 1 John, and Luke.There is much context to confirm that it is the PERSON Jesus who is called by that name in these books,…[Read more]

Frank,We are of the opinion that if the PERSON Jesus is called by the name “the Word of God” in Rev 19:13, then there is no reason the PERSON Jesus isn't called by that same name in John, 1 John, and Luke.There is much context to confirm that it is the PERSON Jesus who is called by that name in these books, while there is nothing to discredit this…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ April 24 2012,23:54)Mike an anointed one yes, But THE ANOINTED ONE  NO.The anointed one ONLY JESUS IS THE ANOINTED ONE. SO ADMIT,AND QUIT.Charles,Read the last bolded line of your own post.  Your source says Cyrus was “THE anointed one of the Lord”.My intention was never to belittle Jesus, or put him on an equal plane with God's o…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 24 2012,20:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2012,07:30)Let me try this again:Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,04:27)The Word that said he proceeded forth and came from GodJohn 13:3Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God;Nick, did Jesus LITERALLY…[Read more]

Quote (francis @ April 25 2012,02:01)So I will find it and then respond.Don't bother, Francis.  I don't do the long, drawn out debates anymore.  And there is no amount of blindfold and crutch explanations you can imagine that will ever change the fact that we have but ONE God Almighty, and Jesus is not Him, but His Son.Quote (francis @ April 25 2…[Read more]

Let me try this again:Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,04:27)The Word that said he proceeded forth and came from GodJohn 13:3Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God;Nick, did Jesus LITERALLY return to God?  If so, then why not accept that he also LITERALLY came from…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,19:12)Hi MB, Indeed flesh men enter the kingdom now lk 16.16,1peter 1.3-4Read 1 Peter again, Nick. The inheritance is “kept in heaven for you”.We are trying to “push our way in” by living our flesh existence according to God's will. Flesh cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

Quote (shem4name @ April 24 2012,19:21)How can I follow Christ if all the decisions he made are based on criteria not available to me?I take it then that you are NOT a follower of God?

Quote (shem4name @ April 24 2012,19:15)Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2012,11:34)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2012,11:01)Martian,YOUR reasoning says that God can't possibly be an example to us, because He has unfair advantage over us.   Hi Mike,I agree, that is a bit odd?  God blessEd JIt is not just the concept of an example. It is the idea of him b…[Read more]