Gene:  What if God did the same thing many times with this earth, and each time started a new creation of things on it.

Is there any scriptural reason to believe such a thing?  No.  The scriptures teach that God CREATED the heaven, the earth, and all that is in them during the same six days.  There is no scriptural teaching of a 4.5 billion yea…[Read more]

Proclaimer: Verse 1 already has the heavens and earth existing. It is not a title, it is a statement.

In conclusion I can see that not many are able to think for themselves, but rather prefer opinions and back the one that suits their bias. Many have a theory and will stick to it despite the facts. I am not sure what the point of acting like…

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Adam:  Most of the Christian Apologists depend on this so called gap theory to prove that the Biblical creation story (The Priestly writer’s) can accommodate 14 billions years as claimed by the Modern Scientific evolution theory.

And like I keep pointing out, the ONLY reason people like Gene and Proclaimer have for this purposeful twisting of a cl…[Read more]

Proclaimer: God created the heavens and the earth before the 6 days if you believe in the chronological order of Genesis 1…   But if you want to hold to six 12 or 24 hour periods, then fine. You still need to accept that God created the heavens and earth before this. But it seems that you do not believe that, so it is you who ignores sc…

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Proclaimer:  If God made the heavens and earth on the first day, then it seems that he created the sun after the heavens and the earth meaning that the sun is not part of the heavens and earth because they were already created. Lol x 2.

The Bible says that God created the sun on day four – after He created the heaven, the earth, light, the…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Mike, if you are going to believe that every mention of day Yom is exactly 12 or 24 hours in length, then don’t stop there…

This is what’s called a strawman argument.  For those who don’t know, it’s the practice of making a false claim of what your opponent is arguing so you can easily knock that false claim down and proclaim vic…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  I also think saying that the heavens and earth were created 6000 years before they creation of man is foolish and lays a stumbling block to many who could swayed to believe in God, but are put off by stone age thinking of those who claim to be enlightened.

What is this “stone age” of which you speak?  You didn’t learn that ancient m…[Read more]

Mike:  The Bible says that the earth was formed FROM water.

Proclaimer:  In 2015, a new volcano came out from water.  So it is made of water according to Mike.  Lol.

2 Peter 3:5… But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed from water and by water.

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LU:  Do you believe that John 1:18 in the NASB 1995  refers to Jesus as the only begotten God?

Yes.  Jesus is one of myriads of gods in the scriptures.  His and our God, Yahweh, is the Most High God of all the other gods.  Jesus, as God’s first creation, is the second most high god – and called the only-begotten god in the bosom of the Father beca…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  If Greek text was talking about a river that was not named or identified, it would still use the definite article. John 1:1c doesn’t use the definite article.

Like I said, your copy and paste didn’t address my point – and still doesn’t.  Let me give you a couple of examples.

Acts 28:5-6… But Paul shook the creature off into the fir…[Read more]

Carmel:  I did ask how many morning stars are there mentioned throughout the entire scripture, didn’t I?

I don’t know.  I usually only skim your posts until I can find one semi-rational statement that can be answered by scripture, and then I address that statement without reading the rest of your incoherent drivel.

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Gene:  I agree with Proclaimer on this, Because it does give the idea that the heavens and earth did already exist at the time of the beginning of this creation on earth.

Gene, the Bible’s very first sentence says that in the beginning, God created the heavens AND the earth, right?  BIG SCIENCE says that the heavens were already in existence fo…[Read more]

Berean:   REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY.
SIX DAYS SHALT THOU LABOUR, AND DO ALL THY WORK…
FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IN THEM IS, AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY.

It doesn’t get much simpler than that, Berean.  God’s people are to work for six literal days and rest on the seventh… BECAUSE in…[Read more]

Berean: I BELIEVE THAT THE DAYS MENTIONED IN GENESIS 1 INCLUDE 24-HOUR DAYS, LIKE WE HAVE NOW.  And I believe that is THE TRUTH.

Those are words of truth from a person who holds the Bible up as the ultimate authority.

Proclaimer:  It could be 6 literal 24 hour periods, but it may not be either.

Those are words of uncertainty from a person who is…[Read more]

Proclaimer: Yom’ is the Hebrew word for day but it does have varying meanings.

Luckily, we use the word “day” exactly as the Hebrews used the word “yom” – so it makes it easy for us to see what is meant in Genesis 1.

Proclaimer:  I might say that back in my mothers day, they didn’t have the internet.

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Mike:  But the bottom line is simple, Gene… you either believe the BIBLE that the earth is about 6000 years old – or you believe BIG SCIENCE that the earth is 14 billion years old.  Only one of them is true – and try as you might, you’ll never be able to twist the scriptures enough to make them align.  

Adam:  This is the reality of the matter.…

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Berean: Hi Mike 

God through Jesus Christ CREATED EVERYTHING (as far as our earth is concerned) in SIX DAYS of 24 hours, and he rested on the seventh day.

Do You agree?

I 100% absolutely agree with everything you just stated.  🙂🙏

Proclaimer:  Be a truth seeker and you will love God and science.

This describes me.  Of course I know the difference between science and scientism.  I know that science has never once contradicted the scriptures – while scientism is a cult based upon purposely contradicting the scriptures any and every way it can.  You don’t yet realize that the…[Read more]

Mike: …BIG SCIENCE does not allow for a heaven and earth formed entirely from water as their primary building blocks.

Proclaimer:  Wrong! The bible clearly states that God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was void. Then he got to work terraforming the planet. He hovered over the deep / waters. From there he separated night and day a…

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Gene:  So your false “assumptions” that “all” the scientific communities doesn’t believe in a Creator is false.

I never said any such thing, Gene. In fact I’ve been learning science from Godly organizations like Answers in Genesis and Creation Ministries International for years.  But there is a big difference between these organizatio…[Read more]