Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 09 2012,07:16)To you and Mike they are “BEINGS” or PERSONS…………Yes Gene. To me, Nick, every other person on this site (including your friend Jodi Lee who has come to see the light)……………..oh, and also to the writers of the Holy Scriptures.

It's not ME who says it, Gene.  It is the experts in Greek to English translation who say it.  And most of the experts that say it are Trinitarians who would like nothing better than there to be only ONE possible translation.  But, unfortunately for them and their “the Son of God is the God he is the Son of” mentality, the fact remains that th…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 08 2012,19:15)Mike,You actually believe in the magicians of Pharaoh?  Who turned the staffs into snakes, Frank?  Who turned water into blood.  Who made frogs come up onto the land?Can mere human beings do these things, Frank?  Or were they done by the power of the gods of Egypt, who Jehovah later passed judgment upon and…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 08 2012,18:56)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2012,09:40)Hi KW, Caught up from earth in flesh YESInto heaven VERY DOUBTFULNick;Is there any record of a transformation?20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2012,11:13)Hi KW, The same manner refers to how he left not what he was clothed in.I agree Nick.

Hi Wakeup,I agree that even pieces of stone and wood are worshipped as gods.But surely we can tell the difference between a powerful spirit being who is able to turn staffs into snakes and a piece of wood that can't even move itself from one place to another, right?

Good post, Pierre.Also, when we use the word “God” with a capped “G”, we are signifying that we speak of “THE God”.  And if THE God has a Son named Jesus, and Jesus DOESN'T have a Son named Jesus, then Jesus cannot possibly be THE God.So just like I am AN adam, but not THE Adam, Jesus is A god, but not THE God.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2012,21:58)Hi MB,Rescuing men from the fire is a blessed thing to do. Jude 1.23So then you weren't scripturally refuting anything I was saying to Ed? Are you able to do so, Nick?

No, Frank.But I do believe the gods of Egypt, which Jehovah PUNISHED, are real gods who performed great signs and wonders before Pharaoh and Moses.And I believe that the god Chemosh, who was able to bring down wrath upon God's chosen people, is a real god with massive capabilities.And I believe that Satan, whom Jehovah Himself called “the god of…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 07 2012,21:40)John 1:1 is about the HolySpirit: who is God, was God, and will always be God.Hi Ed,That would mean God Almighty Himself became flesh, had the glory of His own Son, and died at the hands of human beings.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2012,20:57)Hi MB, You never seem to be interested in anything except changing the perceptions of others.Tradition rules?Nick,I am quite confident that John was telling us that Jesus, who we know is called by the title “the Word of God”, was with God in the beginning, and was himself a god (the “only begotten god” to be…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 07 2012,19:38)What of the chariot of fire the split Elisha and Elijah apart so the later could be taken into heaven in a whirlwind?I don't believe the common understanding that spirit beings “create” bodies when they are to be seen.  I believe they are around us all the time, but that it's rare for God to open a human's eyes…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 07 2012,18:33)Your explanation is not simple, nor does it make sense as Jesus is born of women according to Scripture; which would make John the Baptist greater than he was while on Earth.And how do YOU explain this conundrum, Kerwin?  Also, what does this have to do with our current discussion?Quote (kerwin @ June 07…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2012,17:51)Hi MB, How can you be unbiased in your view of “which aligns best”?Your strongmindedness gets in the road.Strange choice of words from a man who is too biased to acknowledge a simple but undeniable fact of translation.

Nick,Were you able to scripturally refute anything I've been sharing with Ed? Or are you just passing judgment on another's servant again?

Quote (Wakeup @ June 07 2012,18:04)The word was MADE FLESH: from spirit to flesh; not from flesh to flesh.The word was not flesh,made flesh.Btw,These are very simple yet brilliant points, Wakeup.”Not from flesh to flesh”…………. which leaves what other option?And not “flesh”, but “made flesh”.

Wakeup,Kerwin is pointing out that, because God stops those last days short, flesh WILL be saved.I don't yet know how he's connecting the existence of flesh beings with his claim that those flesh beings have inherited the Kingdom of God.I'll have to wait for a response to my last post to him.

I don't suppose you'll ever find out, Nick. Because in order to find out, you'll have to first acknowledge that “a god” is even a possibility. And it seems you are too scared to acknowledge this undeniable FACT of Greek to English translation.

Quote (Ed J @ June 07 2012,17:07)Yes, that is the meaning of “God”; is it not?No Ed,That is not the meaning of “god”. Nor was it ever the meaning of “el” or “elohim”. It's not even the meaning of “theos”.The meaning of “god” is: Any of various beings conceived of as supernatural, immortal, and having special powers over the lives and affairs of…[Read more]

Do you both appreciate me enough to concede the fact of the matter concerning John 1:1c?Because once you guys acknowledge the undeniable FACT that 1:1c can be translated as “God” OR as “a god”, then we can discuss which translation better aligns with the rest of scripture.But it's hard to get into an in depth discussion like that when the other…[Read more]