Nick?  Were you going to address my post about Trinitarians and logic? (2nd post on this page)

Quote (carmel @ June 17 2012,15:53)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 18 2012,08:35)Quote (carmel @ June 17 2012,14:33)Now go back to the old testament and without involving in any prophecy regarding Jesus, prove that God the Father existed. But make sure that you would be refering to  GODALMIGHTYGenesis 17:1When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ June 17 2012,14:33)Now go back to the old testament and without involving in any prophecy regarding Jesus, prove that God the Father existed. But make sure that you would be refering to GODALMIGHTYGenesis 17:1When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, “I am God Almighty ; walk before me and be blameless.”

Quote (carmel @ June 17 2012,10:50)God Almighty was not in the position to guarantee his existence without Jesus.God Almighty is the maker of all “positions”, Charles. He sets on high whom HE chooses, and places low whom HE chooses.He doesn't need any help to do these things.

Quote (carmel @ June 17 2012,10:24)28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might WORK THE WORKS OF GOD? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.Do you believe on him whom God sent, Charles? Or do you believe on a God who sent Himself?

Quote (carmel @ June 17 2012,09:00)THAT TRACT SELECTED ONLY WHAT SHOWS THAT JESUS WAS A SON OF MAN, AND BEHAVED ALSO LIKE A SON OF MAN, BUT LEFT OUT WHAT SHOWS THAT JESUS WAS THE SON OF GOD GOD IN FLESHTHE ONLY TRUE VISIBLE GODHi Charles,I don't think anyone on this site disagrees that Jesus is the Son of God.  But there is a big difference…[Read more]

If Jesus was not a separate being, then you are in agreement with Nick that something that WAS God became someone who WASN'T God.How can God Almighty become NOT God Almighty?  How can God Almighty become His own Son?  Does God ever change, Ed?  What do scriptures say about that?Also:2 Corinthians 3:18 NET © And we all, with unveiled faces ref…[Read more]

Okay Nick,That is fair enough. You don't personally have to consider or call them gods at all if you don't want to. Please just don't twist my words or try to “correct” me when I DO call them gods, because I am speaking according to the scriptures.

Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2012,19:28)The most common use of the genitive is to show possession (although it does not necessarily indicate actual, literal ownership).For instance: “the servant of the high priest” (Mark 14:47).And is “the servant” the same person as “the high priest”, Ed?NO, because the servant is OF the high priest, right?Ed, God SENDS…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2012,19:51)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2012,12:28)Tell me the difference.  What does the KJV version “mean”, and what does the NRSV version “mean”?Hi Mike, I don't speak for the NRSV translators, sorry.”And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” (John…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2012,19:36)Hi MB, So you do not know the voice of the Word that was with God in Jesus?WE will come to you.Nick,I don't even know what that means. Nor do I know how in the world it addresses my last post to you.

Tell me the difference. What does the KJV version “mean”, and what does the NRSV version “mean”?

Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2012,18:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2012,11:19)Ed, God is not HIS Holy Spirit, and YOU should know that.World English Dictionaryhis  (hɪz)1. of, belonging to:  his kneeEd, notice that “his knee” is not “him”, but something that BELONGS TO “him”.Also notice the word “of”, and compare with my definition of “of” that I p…[Read more]

Yes Ed,I paraphrased the verse from memory. Is there a contextual difference between my paraphrase and the KJV version?Here is the one I was paraphrasing:NRSV © So now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had in your presence before the world existed.

Ed, God is not HIS Holy Spirit, and YOU should know that.World English Dictionaryhis (hɪz)1. of, belonging to: his kneeEd, notice that “his knee” is not “him”, but something that BELONGS TO “him”.Also notice the word “of”, and compare with my definition of “of” that I posted earlier for Nick.The simple fact is that the words “his” and “of”…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2012,15:08)Hi MB,Let scripture speak and let all flesh be silent.Braying your own doctrines and shouting down opposition is not your role here is it?Scripture:  Jesus said, “I came down from heaven”, and will “ascend to where I was before”.Scripture:  Jesus said, “Glorify me now with the glory I had alongside you b…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2012,17:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2012,09:15)Right Ed.  The verse you posted speaks of God the Father, who raised Jesus from the dead…………….AND………………..His Spirit.See the word “AND”?  It signifies that TWO things are being spoken of.  Only ONE of those TWO things is “God”.Hi Mike, “God is Spirit: an…[Read more]

Ed, would you mind directly addressing my post at the bottom of the previous page?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2012,16:15)Hi MB, Where is the Spirit called a POSSESSION of God? Logic rules over truth?World English Dictionaryof  (ɒv, ( unstressed ) əv)2.  used to indicate possession:  the house of my sisterAnd unless you can show me where my LOGICAL understandings of scripture are NOT TRUTH, then your snide comment is without me…[Read more]

Are they still gods, Nick?  YES or NO? And why do you continue to tell lies about me, calling them “my gods” or saying I “support them”?