The word “angel” does not exist in any Greek or Hebrew text, Nick.  The Hebrew word “malak” and the Greek word “aggelos” both mean “messenger”.

I await your answers to my two questions.

Well, most Trinitarian translators are dishonest IMO, but that is besides the point.  NO, I don't think dishonesty is the reason we have the word “angel” in our English Bibles.  Like I've already told you, the English translators were attempting to “think it out” for us, translating “angel” when they thought the messenger in question was a s…[Read more]

Jesus is no longer a man, Nick, so both questions are null and void.1. Nick, can you name the individual person John said dwelled among us with the glory of the only begotten from the Father?2. Will you list a scripture that will teach me of “the spirit of the anointing”, so I can read more about this spirit?

These questions have been addressed in the Hot Seat thread t8 started. I won't have the same discussion in three theads at the same time, Nick.

Nick,An honest and truthful translation would render “messenger” each and every time “makak” or “aggelos” was used in scripture. And then WE could sort out for ourselves whether the messenger mentioned was human or spirit. But translating it honestly, as “messenger” still leaves you to answer your own question: How can Jesus, as a messenger, be…[Read more]

I did in the other thread. Why have the same discussion in two threads at the same time? (Actually three threads, if you count Pre-existence.)

Nick, here is your last post from the other thread:Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 24 2012,16:48)Hi MB, Why does the fact that Jesus is a prophet and a messenger prevent him from being higher than the angels? If he was an angel he could not be, not the other way around.Nick, here is Hebrews 1:4 translated as it should be:So he became as much superior to…[Read more]

Nick, let's move this discussion to the Hot Seat thread that t8 started. I'll carry your question over there.

Nick, I was altering my post as you were responding. Please address the new points I've added to it…………….and answer the bolded question for me.

Yes to all, Nick.But human prophets are “malakim” in the Hebrew, and “aggelos” in the Greek.  So are spirit messengers of God.The word simply means “messenger”, Nick.  So consider this scripture translated as it should be:Hebrews 1:4 So he became as much superior to the messengers as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.Nick, how can J…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 24 2012,16:34)Are human prophets messengers? The question is: Are human prophets malaks? The answer is yes. Are spirit messengers malaks? Again, the answer is yes.

Yes, I think now that I see it, I recall reading it in one of your threads where you thought it wise to post all sorts of words of mere men………….. AS LONG AS those words agreed with your doctrine.And for the record, NO I don't believe it, and NO, it doesn't align with the scriptures – although I suppose it DOES tickle your itching…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 24 2012,16:17)Men are sometimes called malak and no amount of arguing against it is going to rewrite scripture.Amen. Case closed.

Yeah t8,Some people just refuse to understand that the word is always “messenger”.  It is the English translators who divided that word into “messenger” and “angel”.So the real question is:  Was/Is Jesus a “messenger” of his God?  The answer is yes.  And even if you want to divide it up between humans and spirits, calling the former “me…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 24 2012,14:04)Hi MB, So where does scripture say the Son of God is an angel or have you stuck what you see as inferences together with logic glue and offer that as evidence?Was Jesus less than the angels and is he now greater than them? How then can he BE one?2 Kings 2527 In the thirty-seventh year of the exile of…[Read more]

Nick, Do whatever you want but please do not teach what is not scriptural like saying the Son of Man is not an angel.

Kathi, How can Jesus “become as much superior to the angels as the name he has INHERITED is superior to theirs”?

No, I don't remember seeing any such thing.  Nor would I bother to believe any writing from any man if it contradicted the Holy Scriptures.Kathi, can you tell me the scripture that speaks of our Creators? Because I can show you many that speak of our Creator.

Nick,It is abundantly clear that you and I understand MANY scriptures differently.  I'm okay with that.  I only pray that t8 will be able to get through to you on the Hot Seat.To be honest, discussing this (and many subjects) with you is akin to trying to convince Gene that Satan is a real being.  And you yourself know how hard that is, and how it…[Read more]