“Message” is a noun, Ed. (Person, Place or Thing)And unless you have any EVIDENCE to refute my findings as shown on this thread, I will leave you to your beliefs.

Hey Marty,No MAN has ever seen God.  But other spirit beings, like the angels of little children, see His face every day.Matthew 18:10“See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.Marty, the point is not that NO BEING WHATSOEVER can see God.  T…[Read more]

Hi Ed.Aggelos: 1. Human messenger2. Spirit messengerMalak:1. Human messenger2. Spirit messengerDo you have more definitions to add?

Enough rabbit trails and huge posts, Kathi. Let's keep it simple, scriptural, and anger free. Kathi, 1.  How could Jesus have “BECOME as much superior to the angels as the name he has INHERITED is superior to theirs”?2.  The one and only “Most High God” has a Son named Jesus.  Does Jesus have a Son named Jesus?

Quote (Ed J @ June 27 2012,17:22)Hi Mike,So you disagree with the “AKJV Bible” then?Ed,Do YOU disagree with the FACTS of this matter?  The words ALWAYS mean “messenger”.  And if we are going to CHANGE the word to “angel” whenever a SPIRIT messenger of God is mentioned, then we must also include Jesus in that term, for he is most definitely a S…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 26 2012,21:31)Hi Mike:Yes, my name is Marty, and his name is Jesus is that not correct?  He is called “the Everlasting Father”.  Is he “the Everlasting Father”, Mike?Love in Christ,MartyHi Marty,And if you also were known by the name “Sledgehammer”, could I look at you and say, “There goes Sledgehammer” – even though you are n…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 27 2012,16:14)Hi Mike,I agree Jesus was a messenger.But I disagree he was 'called an Angel'.It doesn't really matter if you agree or not, Ed. If English translators substituted the word “angel” for the word “messenger” in cases where they were convinced that the messenger in question was a SPIRIT messenger, then according to…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 27 2012,09:46)If he or Mike would provide such evidence,then I would agree that they are called Angels.          …but no evidence in this regard has been provided by either of them.Hi Ed,I never set out to prove that human beings were spirit beings.  And I don't think t8 set out to prove that either.  He was saying that human…[Read more]

We can also distinguish one of them as God Almighty, and the other as His Lamb, Son, Servant, Priest, Mediator, Prophet, etc.Btw, I left the “s” out inadverently.  I meant to say, And don't waste mine with silly comparisons like “Jesus is called good, and God is called good, therefore Jesus must BE God.”

Both are involved in creationI was involved in the creation of my son.  God created him THROUGH me, just as God created all things THROUGH His Servant Jesus.  It doesn't mean Jesus is the God who brought him forth anymore than it means I'm the God who brought me forth.Both are involved in the act required for salvation of all mankindSo are we.  …[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 26 2012,19:53)don't waste my time with going down a rabbit trailAnd don't waste mine with silly comparison like “Jesus is called good, and God is called good, therefore Jesus must BE God.” You do realize that we can distinguish God from His SERVANT Jesus the same way you distinguished Jesus from Neb and Abe, right?

Quote (Lightenup @ June 26 2012,19:30)What does Peter say in the canonized scripture that goes against what is said in this historical document, in your opinion? None of what you wrote goes against this document. There are two acknowledged there, a Father and a Son.First of all, “God” is not a species that produces like offspring.  Jehovah, on…[Read more]

Quote (charity @ June 26 2012,19:09)What I hear is…you a tired of defending Faith by faith alone?What you should be hearing is: I don't need to defend my faith to anyone, and trying to explain to an atheist that the universe, our diverse planet, and human beings are not just some evolutionary roll of the dice is tiresome and boring for me.I…[Read more]

Charity,Have you ever even asked t8 for editing rights?

Hi Wakeup,I agree with all you just posted…….especially this part: “It is up to us to resist.”If we don't resist, the guilt of the sin remains on US. We can't say, “Satan made me do it”, as if we have done no wrong ourselves.This was Gene's point that I was trying to address. Yes Satan tempts constantly. But WE have to resist or else WE…[Read more]

Charity,I don't make those decisions of who is in what section.  But I am grateful to t8 that I don't have to hear Stu saying “What god?” day in and day out in the Believer's Section.Ed talks to Stu quite a bit.  Perhaps we should ask Ed how many times he's read those very words from Stu?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2012,16:43)1.  And your “name is called Marty”, right?  Well, aren't you Marty?Can I look at you and say, “There goes Marty”, no matter what “Marty” actually means?  Likewise, could I see Jesus someday and say, “There goes the Word of God”?But all this is besides the point.  The point is:  2.  If the name “the Word…[Read more]

Both moderators moderate both sections. We usually don't take any action unless someone uses the “Report This Post” feature at the bottom of all posts.No complaint – no mediation.

Hi Marty,I would love to have a Phil 2 discussion with you again. But could you first address my most recent post to you on this thread? It seems you ignored the one I made today, and re-addressed the one from yesterday.Also, how do you figure Jesus was the 4th man in the fire if he didn't yet exist?

Why can't they see that we don't want to be discussing the pre-existence of Jesus and have every third post be, “What god?  You guys must be talking about your egomaniacal imaginary friend again.”?If I wanted to listen to crap like that all day, I'd visit the Skeptics section.