Ed,The words mean “messenger”.  Sometimes that messenger is a human, who is also a king, or an ambassador.  But the words still mean “messenger”.And sometimes that messenger is a spirit being sent from God, and so we in English call him an angel.  But the words still mean “messenger”.from an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a me…[Read more]

Ed,Do you get the feeling you're telling a little kid the sky is blue and the grass is green, but he keeps insisting it is the other way around? Welcome to my world. I thank God I have the FREE WILL to decide whether or not to follow this thread.

Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2012,11:04)Hi Mike,Why are you playing games with words?Angels don't always deliver messages.Ed,There is no word such as “angel” in the scriptures.  There are those called “messengers”, which we call angels IF it seems clear from the context that SPIRIT messengers are meant.Now listen carefully:  The words “malak” and “…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2012,10:49)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2012,02:48)Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2012,09:25)Angels are spirit beings.God is a spirit being.  Is HE an angel?  Or are angels spirit MESSENGERS of God?Hi Mike,If God delivers a message does he become an Angel?God blessEd JYes Ed. If Jehovah God delivered a message for HIS OWN GOD, then H…[Read more]

Good post Wakeup.I would like to see you post those same points, numbered one by one, with some “YES or NO” questions at the end of them.  That way, Gene could actually directly address your points instead of re-posting his “intellect inside us” post yet again. I will use one of your great points as an example:Job 1 One day the angels came to…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2012,09:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2012,02:01)Ed, what exactly are angels in your view?  Are they not spirit messengers of God who are mighty beings and are called “sons of God” in Job?Is Jesus not all of these things?This is the definition of “malak” you have posted in part:from an unused root meaning to despatch as a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2012,08:55)The God of gods (the Father) AND the Lord of lords (the Son) are both referred to as theos in the NT.And how does your understanding fit in with 1 Timothy 6:15, where it is the Father who is called “the Lord of lords”?You are simply trying to FORCE  scriptures like Deuteronomy 10:17 to speak of TWO, when it…[Read more]

Ed, what exactly are angels in your view?  Are they not spirit messengers of God who are mighty beings and are called “sons of God” in Job?Is Jesus not all of these things?This is the definition of “malak” you have posted in part:from an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically, of God, i.e. an angel (also aprophet,…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 30 2012,08:32)If it said that Christ was in the form of God ,would this not mean that God also has a form That's the way I understand it, Pierre.  Plus, Gene is saying that “existing in the form of God” is in the present tense when Paul wrote the letter to the Philippians.  If that was the case, the Paul must have been s…[Read more]

If it is scriptural, I agree with it.It is scriptural that Jesus died for our sins, so on this point, Asana and I disagree.It is scriptural that Jesus is the Son of the Most High God, not the Most High God he is the Son of, so on this point, you and I disagree.It is scriptural that Jesus existed with glory in the form of God before emptying…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 30 2012,01:58)Your words make it seem that you are wrapped in the letter of Scripture but fail to follow the Spirit of Scripture.Kerwin, It seems there are only two choices:1.  Each and every time “the word of God” is mentioned in the scriptures, it refers to Jesus.2.  More than one thing is referred to by the phrase “the w…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2012,07:37)Quote (bodhitharta @ June 28 2012,14:40)You simply don't get many parts of the Bible Jesus declared that he was not the son of David but you don't understand.Mark 12:35-37King James Version (KJV) 35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the son of David?…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 29 2012,23:30)Jesus is a member of the unity that He is the Son in.Is Jesus the Son OF God?  Or the Son IN God?Your switch to the word “IN” doesn't address the scriptural fact that we have but one Most High God, and Jesus is not that One, but the Son OF that One.

Quote (jammin @ June 29 2012,19:02)mikeyou and your father have the SAME form or natureyou are both TRULY MAN or HUMANand by nature, you are both not all powerful. that is the nature of MANbut Christ and his father ARE BOTH GOD by nature or form and by nature, they are all powerful. bec that is the nature of GODYes jammin,My father was A man who…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 29 2012,19:28)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2012,10:07)Quote (942767 @ June 29 2012,16:30)He says and “Now glorify me”, and NOT “and now glorify me again with the glory which I had with thee before the world was”.And you don't think the words “with the glory I HAD” indicates a previous glory?  Isn't “again” implied if Jesus is…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 29 2012,19:02)Hi Mike:Angels are invisible to man unless God chooses to let man see them, but the scripture states that God is invisible, period. Is there a scripture which states that angels are invisible?Yes Marty,MEN have written that God is invisible. Is there a scripture that says God is invisible from another spirit…[Read more]

Marty,Did you overlook my post at the bottom of page 119?

Quote (kerwin @ June 29 2012,20:04)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2012,04:41)Quote (kerwin @ June 29 2012,00:39)Mike,Quote Does scripture tell us when or why Jesus started being called the Word of God?  If it does, that is news to me.Anyway, your response was irrelevant to my question.  I only want to know if God meant Jesus when he spoke of p…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 29 2012,18:51)it also understood that Christ the son ,is the only one that share that nature and so is it normal that he his A GOD,BUT NOT HIS FATHER ,GOD ALMIGHTYjammin,The Father is a god, so naturally He would beget a different god. But since the Father is THE God Almighty, he cannot possibly beget THE God Almighty, or…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 28 2012,20:58)He is seated at the right hand of God.Do you mean he is seated at the right hand of ONE of our TWO Almighty Gods?  Or do you mean Jesus is seated at the right hand of our “Unity God” – of which he is one member – meaning he is seated at HIS OWN right hand?Sorry, but your doctrine gets confusing for me.  You s…[Read more]